The Guru

The Guru, aka Ricky Cadden, started Symbian-Guru.com in November 2006, out of his excitement for the S60 3rd Edition version of Symella. The Guru has used Symbian devices since the Nokia 6620, and is known for his perspective as a power user. You can follow The Guru on Twitter at @Rcadden

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  • http://www.nokiacreative.com/ James @ Nokia Creative

    Hey Ricky, excellent post mate. I really love the section on music quality, so true . . .

    As for Comes With Music. I would have thought that Nokia would have got more kudos if the deal had been to hook up with Amazon, let’s say you get 1000 free (unDRM’d) tracks of your choosing. I’d go for that, because I could use these tracks on any phone, any iPod, any Mac/PC/Linux box, modern HiFi for surround sound system. They would be mine to keep forever.

    Here’s what I’d like to know . . . let’s say I purchase a high end Nseries next year, I probably get it for nothing on a decent contract in the UK. I download 2,000,000 tracks in the space of one year – are Nokia honestly saying that those tracks are now my property, or is it rather that I leasing them, under terms which Nokia/Universal can end at any time?

    I don’t want to come across as negative here, but I honestly think that the real key to success will be about getting all the tiny details of the user experience correct, I just don’t believe that Nokia have the skills to do that right now, the same applies to Ovi.

  • http://www.nokiacreative.com James @ Nokia Creative

    Hey Ricky, excellent post mate. I really love the section on music quality, so true . . .

    As for Comes With Music. I would have thought that Nokia would have got more kudos if the deal had been to hook up with Amazon, let’s say you get 1000 free (unDRM’d) tracks of your choosing. I’d go for that, because I could use these tracks on any phone, any iPod, any Mac/PC/Linux box, modern HiFi for surround sound system. They would be mine to keep forever.

    Here’s what I’d like to know . . . let’s say I purchase a high end Nseries next year, I probably get it for nothing on a decent contract in the UK. I download 2,000,000 tracks in the space of one year – are Nokia honestly saying that those tracks are now my property, or is it rather that I leasing them, under terms which Nokia/Universal can end at any time?

    I don’t want to come across as negative here, but I honestly think that the real key to success will be about getting all the tiny details of the user experience correct, I just don’t believe that Nokia have the skills to do that right now, the same applies to Ovi.

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com/ The Guru

    Glad for the question, James. The deal is they are your tracks, with no expiration. If you managed to download all 2 million tracks, and at the end of the year, cancelled your Nokia Music Store registration, they’re still yours (with only DRM limitations, of course, as far as transferring to different players).

    Rob Wells stood on stage and said, “There’s no catch. Try to find it, please.”

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com The Guru

    Glad for the question, James. The deal is they are your tracks, with no expiration. If you managed to download all 2 million tracks, and at the end of the year, cancelled your Nokia Music Store registration, they’re still yours (with only DRM limitations, of course, as far as transferring to different players).

    Rob Wells stood on stage and said, “There’s no catch. Try to find it, please.”

  • Al

    Countdown until someone makes a self-signed app that strips DRM

  • Al

    Countdown until someone makes a self-signed app that strips DRM

  • Jonathan

    It’s foolish — sorry!

    The problem is with what happens when you switch to a new device or stop your subscription. What if I decide to move to a device without WMA DRM support (such as, say, an iPhone) even if my music subscription is still going? Poof. And you’ve just paid extra for a handset you ultimately found dissatisfying.

    Plus, while DRM can allow for unique services like subscriptions, we shouldn’t be encouraging Universal. They’re not interested in what will make your listening experience better — they just want to find a way to keep you tied to paying for their music in perpetuity.

    Yes, paying for songs from Amazon MP3, iTunes, or eMusic is going to be more expensive, but here’s the thing: it’s yours, and you can take it with you to many more devices and make as many backups as you want. I’d rather have that than prop up a dying music label to save a few bucks.

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com/ The Guru

    @Jonathan You obviously didn’t read the entire post. There is no “problem” if you move to a new device. This entire initiative is designed 100% to increase both Nokia’s and Universal’s profits. Everything that any for-profit company does is designed to do that, from Nokia to Apple to Amazon. If you can’t grasp that, then you’re always going to be dissappointed.

    Comes With Music is designed to encourage people to live the Nokia lifestyle, and to make it easier and more convenient for them to do so – end of story. And it does that beautifully. It is not designed or intended to simply make it easier for you to get legal music. It’s designed and intended to make it easier to get legal music ON YOUR NOKIA HANDSET. Past that, Nokia doesn’t care. And they shouldn’t, frankly. Because they’re not non-profit.

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com The Guru

    @Jonathan You obviously didn’t read the entire post. There is no “problem” if you move to a new device. This entire initiative is designed 100% to increase both Nokia’s and Universal’s profits. Everything that any for-profit company does is designed to do that, from Nokia to Apple to Amazon. If you can’t grasp that, then you’re always going to be dissappointed.

    Comes With Music is designed to encourage people to live the Nokia lifestyle, and to make it easier and more convenient for them to do so – end of story. And it does that beautifully. It is not designed or intended to simply make it easier for you to get legal music. It’s designed and intended to make it easier to get legal music ON YOUR NOKIA HANDSET. Past that, Nokia doesn’t care. And they shouldn’t, frankly. Because they’re not non-profit.

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com/welcome/2007/12/nokias-driving.html Symbian-Guru.com » Blog Archive » Nokia’s Driving Word In Nokia World – Integration

    [...] present than our mobile phones? We take them everywhere. With Ovi and Comes With Music (which has tremendous potential btw), we can now also take with them a great way to share our past life, a great tool to store the [...]

  • Goodhope

    I think ‘Nokia comes with music’ will be a nice campaigns. But if Nokia want to put in mass market, i dont think that is good idea. Style/Tech leader, IT world are OK. But not mass market.

  • Goodhope

    I think ‘Nokia comes with music’ will be a nice campaigns. But if Nokia want to put in mass market, i dont think that is good idea. Style/Tech leader, IT world are OK. But not mass market.

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com/welcome/2008/03/comes-with-music-was-announced-far-too-early.html Comes With Music Was Announced Far Too Early

    [...] is something I said when it was announced, and I’ll stick by it, especially because I’ve recently figured out the real issue (at [...]

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com/welcome/2008/03/nokia-comes-with-music-back-in-the-arena.html Nokia “Comes With Music” Back In The Arena

    [...] the Nokia World event in December 2007, has been in the pipeline for a while. Ricky and I have previously expressed our enthusiasm for the service, but as the time passed, we have all grown to think that it was [...]

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com/welcome/2008/07/comes-with-music-should-come-with-innovation.html Comes With Music Should Come With Innovation

    [...] As you might have seen recently, Warner Music, one of the big 4 record labels, has signed on with Nokia’s Comes With Music initiative, and also listed their music library in the Nokia Music [...]

  • Jonathan

    It's foolish — sorry!The problem is with what happens when you switch to a new device or stop your subscription. What if I decide to move to a device without WMA DRM support (such as, say, an iPhone) even if my music subscription is still going? Poof. And you've just paid extra for a handset you ultimately found dissatisfying.Plus, while DRM can allow for unique services like subscriptions, we shouldn't be encouraging Universal. They're not interested in what will make your listening experience better — they just want to find a way to keep you tied to paying for their music in perpetuity.Yes, paying for songs from Amazon MP3, iTunes, or eMusic is going to be more expensive, but here's the thing: it's yours, and you can take it with you to many more devices and make as many backups as you want. I'd rather have that than prop up a dying music label to save a few bucks.

  • Jonathan

    It's foolish — sorry!

    The problem is with what happens when you switch to a new device or stop your subscription. What if I decide to move to a device without WMA DRM support (such as, say, an iPhone) even if my music subscription is still going? Poof. And you've just paid extra for a handset you ultimately found dissatisfying.

    Plus, while DRM can allow for unique services like subscriptions, we shouldn't be encouraging Universal. They're not interested in what will make your listening experience better — they just want to find a way to keep you tied to paying for their music in perpetuity.

    Yes, paying for songs from Amazon MP3, iTunes, or eMusic is going to be more expensive, but here's the thing: it's yours, and you can take it with you to many more devices and make as many backups as you want. I'd rather have that than prop up a dying music label to save a few bucks.

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