Dotsisx

Dotsisx, aka Rita El Khoury, joined Symbian-Guru.com in September of 2007, and has been writing awesome content ever since. Rita often explores the normal user aspect of Symbian-powered devices, and offers in-depth thoughts on various topics. You can follow Dotsisx on Twitter at @Khouryrt

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  • Excellent posting and I was following the discussions on Jaiku and that was also interesting. I guess Nokia will have a tough act following up N95, just because of it's complete setup of tools and almost endless possibilities. Swiss army-phone I would say.
  • Kulin
    Excellent post. By far the most comprehensive Apple Vs. Nokia comparison I've come across. The way ahead for Nokia is to safe test their devices and MARKET their true capabilities. For eg. The accelerometer on the N95. I'm sure if they made just ONE perfect video demonstrating it's full use, it will have the 'wow' effect, which is by far the single most decisive factor when the average consumer buys a phone (which incidentally is also why the iPhone sold like hot cakes). The problem with nokia is the fact that there is a clear cut desynchronization between it's R&D and marketing. I mean look at how the N95 was marketed! And let's not get into the 5700 debacle.
  • Kula bácsi
    The iPhone's UI is more bleeding edge than any overcomplicated hardware crap for geeks from Nokia. That's about the comparison.
  • I love Nokia and I love Apple - this kind of post always puts a huge smile of my face as I believe that the future of computing could well be dominated by my two favorite companies! Good times. (^_^)

    To my mind it's now a race... the first to find a perfect balance between power and price, openness and refinement. Of course there is always the chance that it won't be Nokia or Apple, it could be some Android powered Samsung device, or even (heaven forbid!) a Mircosoft creation.

    One thing is for sure, the next 2 years could well shape the industry for the next 20!
  • Wow, Kula, thanks for attending this gathering of rational people who are simply discussing the mobile industry and two giants now in it. Good thing you kept blind fanboyism at bay in favor of intellectual conversation. Appreciate it.
  • Glad you mentioned the upcoming 6220 Classic at the end there. This will be the N95 for the masses - i.e. those who don't want the physical bulk and weight of an N95, but rather something small, light, and very powerful masquerading as an ordinary phone - this last quality is very attractive. Again, the 6220 will beat the pants off anything else out there near it's size and weight (and most significantly, price).

    The trouble with the iPhone is it's liked being in a really plush comfortable house, where all the doors and windows are locked. It's a prison - but a nice one. I don't think one can argue that the N95 is just for geeks, it's sold well over 12 million worldwide, over a million in the UK alone and most of the people I've seen with it personally are non-technical and non-geeks. iPhone is a different proposition - a comfy sofa on wheels, rather than a sports car!
  • Mark
    Decent content to your article, agree on many points, but shockingly bad choice of analogy. You're obviously not a rugby fan!
  • TomJ
    No wonder I've had Nokias for the last 8 years; it's not because I've liked Symbian since the Psion days, it's because I'm a prop forward and therefore their strategy suits me better...
  • Magnus
    It's painfully clear that Nokia maxed the envelope light years ahead of everyone when the introduced the Nokia N95. It was also clear that nothing revolutionary would come into the mobile world until in 2009, the earliest. Then we will see things like HD cams and larger flash drives and bigger inch screens in thinner form factors.

    Apple plays the safe route, produce one mobile phone and people think they've conqured the smartphone market. That is though as far away from the truth as OJ Simpsons being innocent.

    Instead of looking at iPod Touch, try out the Nokia N810, that is some serious hardware with a pretty good OS!
  • Tim
    Very, very nice post. However, I will dispute the fact that right now Apple is THE brand to beat for Nokia. Is there even a comparison? Because Apple is news in this, and they haven't got the market covered like other makers have.

    I think the real competition for Nokia is touch UI based phones from Samsung, Sony Ericsson and LG. Many of them are smartphones, and offer additional features over Nokia's increasingly challenged S60 such as handwriting recognition. Such phones could even decimate the iPhone, because of their light weight and attractive size.

    So while iPhone caters to the higher end of the market, and Samsung, Sony Ericsson, and LG are spreading touch UI to lower market segments, it is Nokia that will find themselves between a rock and a hard place. Not least because no matter how good a Nokia phone is (I am a Nokia N82 owner), its looks and interface do not immediately inspire a 'wow' from anyone looking. Also, the whole S60 on Symbian thing is losing out to UIQ in pure technical terms, being disadvantaged because lack of touch UI and configurablity.

    Let us also not ignore several Windows Mobile based phones which have proper Microsoft Office built in, touch UI, and QWERTY keyboards. The great attraction with WM is customization options as well as applications that are more similar to PC applications. Sadly, S60 offers very little in way of customization - you can't even configure the desktop to your liking.
  • Alec Kerr,
    I totally agree with you, the 6220 is the N95 for the masses, and as you said, it's a device the average consumer can switch to from an S40 without feeling the bulk or the pressure of having an n95 in his hands.

    Magnus,
    I have already trialled the N810 for two weeks, and pushed the limits off this thing, though i was a total newcomer to anything open source. To tell you the truth, for a while, I was almost sold on the N810, but then I thought about it for a second, and changed my mind. See, while I loved "the openness", I still consider that it's a device for geeks, and the one thing it is supposed to do well (web browsing) didn't cut it for me: I use Gmail and Google Reader 24/24 and they are painful to use on the N810's browser. The second reason I changed my mind is that I work in the medical field, as a pharmacist, and I NEED medical apps. There is NO way, the N810 will have a developer (an open source one) port medical software like Skyscape and Epocrates for Maemo. Those are already available for the iPhone. The N810 just isn't mainstream enough now to satisfy my needs.

    Tim,
    To my knowledge LG and Samsung don't offer touchscreen smartphones (or what I call smartphones: 3rd party native software + multitasking capabilities). They either offer this or that. Sony Ericsson offer UIQ, but there is no UIQ device on the market now that equals the offerings from Nokia, add to that the little availability of 3rd party software for it compared to S60. Of course, now we are seeing more 3rd-party soft developers support UIQ, but that is also happening for S60, so it's arguable whether or not SE have a good grip or not on that market. When the G series become available, we will sure learn a lot.
    Now when it comes to WM, I have had a WM5 device for a little less than a year, and have already posted here the things S60 should learn from WM and vice versa. Standby screen customization has been my BIGGEST gripe over S60 because I saw the versatility of the WM Today Screen. Proper Office, hm, I wonder if you have used it to see the limitations when creating or viewing a document, the N95 can render documents better. Touch UI, well, not so touch, and not so joypad either, it's like it's stuck in the middle and doesn't know which camp to choose. Qwerty keyboards, I am a BIG fan of T9, also posted about it here some 10 days ago or so. So no, WM is not a competition to S60, not even close. Trust me, I've used both and I am NOT going anywhere near a WM device any time soon. Maybe WM7 will change my mind when it comes out. Maybe.
  • I have both a N95 and an iPhone for the exact reasons you list above :)
  • Juan Carlos
    *worships* Today the 2nd Gen iPhone was announced by Steve Jobs in the WWDC 2008 and you were right:

    1."... have read a lot of rumors stating that the next generation iPhone will have 3G, an improved camera and GPS. I will cut my hand if it does have all three..."

    2."Apple works the “secure” strategy... I compare them to playing basketball... these updates added functionality that we’ve all had for ages on our handsets"

    I really liked your basketball/rugby analogy.
  • Nokia's N95 8GB and the new N96 are really very good and what I want for a personal media device (my own made up term) here in the U.S. When I go looking at the Chinese market that copies and makes everything in mass quantities the closest thing I can get to a N95 8GB or N96 in flexibility and multifunctions is surprisingly an iphone UI copy with windows mobile 6.0 ha ha ha. Yes I know they go for the cheapo route but these guys are the third players next to Apple and Nokia because they break the rules all the time and are innovating and they are overwhelming by their sheer numbers. They think of stuff that no one else thinks of and I'm sure Nokia and Iphone workers take peeks at what China is doing once in a while. There is a feedback mechanism.
  • I love Nokia and I love Apple - this kind of post always puts a huge smile of my face as I believe that the future of computing could well be dominated by my two favorite companies! Good times. (^_^)

    To my mind it's now a race... the first to find a perfect balance between power and price, openness and refinement. Of course there is always the chance that it won't be Nokia or Apple, it could be some Android powered Samsung device, or even (heaven forbid!) a Mircosoft creation.

    One thing is for sure, the next 2 years could well shape the industry for the next 20!
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