TheGuru

TheGuru, aka Ricky Cadden, started Symbian-Guru.com in November 2006, out of his excitement for the S60 3rd Edition version of Symella. TheGuru has used Symbian devices since the Nokia 6620, and is known for his perspective as a power user. You can follow TheGuru on Twitter at @Rcadden

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  • Smooth Revolution
    GMail Push with "emoze" ...
    works great.

    pros:
    eMail push
    same possibilities like the built-in message system

    cons:
    needs permanent data connection
    -> battery life sucks ...
  • I have been using a variant of your option # 3 for years. This is what I do...

    I created a free AOL account and I have all my incoming Gmail messages automatically forwarded to this account. As the incoming server, I use imap.aol.com with the AOL account credentials. As the outgoing server, I use smtp.gmail.com with the Gmail credentials.

    The beauty of this setup is that Google is nice enough to keep all parts of the message header untouched when forwarding e-mails, so the message once you receive it looks like it came to Gmail and not to AOL. And when you reply to a message, the recipient gets your message from your Gmail account as well, not AOL. In fact, you NEVER see that AOL account again after you set it up.

    What does this give me?

    Well, I have thousands and thousands of messages in my Gmail account that I don't want to deal with in a mobile client, so I receive messages, reply to them and delete them right away. They are simply deleted from the AOL account, but remain in the Gmail account (you can choose to have them archived by Gmail as soon as they're forwarded to AOL if you prefer). So I keep my phone inbox clean on my phone.

    Because of this same behavior explained above, I have a second layer of protection for messages deleted by mistake on my phone. They remain in my Gmail box.

    The main drawback here is that, since I am not accessing my Gmail account directly, I cannot delete messages there from my phone. However, I usually go on Gmail through a browser everyday or every other day and do some maintenance, delete messages I don't want to keep (which I rarely do) or archive the ones I want to archive (and, as I said, if you archive everything you receive, you can have Gmail do this automatically).

    In all honestly, this setup I created when Gmail had no IMAP support and I had no other choice, but I liked it so much, I kept it even after Gmail allowed you to access your mailbox via IMAP.
  • If you ask me, you've missed one more way of using gmail on S60, which is accessing the original full-featured gmail by entering the URL:
    http://mail.google.com/mail/h/

    Well there are cons to that:
    * Slow in some way (non AJAX and not so mobile oriented)
    * The navigation is not as easy because of the full width page

    And if you want to be alerted about new email, just set up IMAP and use it for alerts only.

    What do you say about it ?
  • @Vitaly - Thanks for mentioning it. Originally, this was going to be a four-part piece, highlighting that option, as well. However, after giving it a go, the only thing it really offers over the mobile web version is the ability to change the outgoing email address.
  • @Vitaly: My mobile e-mail solution has to offer (1) instant notification and (2) ease of use. Your solution gives me (1) but can't be much further from (2). I would hate having an e-mail client that I only use to get notified and then having to sign on through the browser to the web interface to reply. Two applications which work completely different to achieve one simple task.
  • Janptr
    I have tried Gmail and also have the account as a second one. But I prefer to use Yahoo Email in combination with Profimail. I can receive headers or specify exactly amount of how much will be downloaded. Never problem with attachments at send or recieve. Is it possible to add attachments with the newer version of Gmail?
  • Just to mention that I've never used in full power Gmail mobile website or the mobile application. I've tried them a couple of times. So correct me if I'm wrong.

    Another important con for me of the IMAP method is that it won't allow you to archive a message (or label it).

    @The Guru: Full GMail also gives you the ability to download attachments, or see it as HTML (useful for pdf,doc, ...)
    How about display/block images from the sender ? Multilanguage anyone ?

    Doesn't the mobile version and the application lack ads :)
    I just miss them!
    That's unfortunately another con for "my way", but have to be honest.

    @Razor1973: Your method is almost like using the POP3 connection to GMail. Which I was using before IMAP support came in. Didn't like it very much. I think there was a problem with the S60 implementation of POP3 client, it could sometimes stuck while receiving new mails.
    BTW, even if you delete a message it's still in your trash for 30 days.
    Also you don't have to login each time if you have cookies.
  • I *believe* that deleting on the S60 mail app simply archives your mail. Don't quote me on that though.
  • @The Guru: At least on my device it will put it in trash. Sorry to disappoint.

    BTW Full Gmail allows attachments for composed emails. A big plus!
  • @Janptr: ProfiMail is by far the best client I've ever seen for S60, but the lack of IMAP IDLE support is a definite killer for me. The Lonely Cat Games team has been getting requests to add this for years. Sadly, they've never implemented it, so I only use ProfiMail as a second/backup e-mail client.

    @Vitaly: In a way, it is almost like POP3. You do work disconnected from your Gmail account (which is not necessarily a bad thing for the reasons I mentioned above). But what this setup gives you is IMAP IDLE (where the server and client support it; AOL and the native S60 mail client both do). Like I said before, instant notifications are paramount for me. This setup achieves just that.
  • eric
    @Razor

    I use Gmail with Evolution client (linux), and prior to that with Thunderbird. After you set up imap for google, they both create a folder marked Gmail with all the gmail labels as folders. I just send the messages to specific folders I want, or if I don't have a label, just throw it in the "all mail" folder, which archives it. With IMAP, it even cleans up the inbox on my phone as well.


    It sounds like you are going to LA via Omaha to accomplish the same thing.
  • great article. i think the built in s60 client with imap is the best solution for gmail. keeps your mail perfectly in sync. you can't label new emails, but you can view labels by going into the folder subscriptions settings.

    to archive an email from your phone delete it from "phone and server". it won't be deleted from gmail, just simply archived.
  • @eric: You didn't say it, but are you implying you can set up the Gmail IMAP account on the S60 mail client and it will give you access to all Gmail labels as folders where you can move your messages just like you do in Evolution? If that's it, sounds like a great solution for those who archive all of their mail. I don't. I delete 1% of my mail and archive 10%, leaving the rest in my inbox. My solution allows me to do this and still keep my "mobile inbox" clean with only the messages I still need to deal with (read, reply, forward, etc.)
  • eric
    Razor,

    I understand what you are doing now. Yes, I regularly archive almost all my mail to keep the inbox clean. It is still searchable and indexed by label, so for me it is no big deal. I could see how the inbox on your phone would become a big mass of old mail if you kept everything in the inbox.

    Before the last software update, somehow I had all the folders under gmail on my phone, but it didn't happen after I updated the firmware. Since I didn't use that feature on the phone, I didn't think anything of it, but now that you mention it, I remember it being there. When I open the messaging app, I have and inbox and a gmail box on the phone. The new messages go into the inbox, so I just ignore the gmail box. Since I'm on a PC often, I usually just read/post a quick reply on my phone and archive at the PC later. That's why I like IMAP so much... keeping everything in sync is almost as real-time as my old windows mobile/outlook/exchange system years ago.

    Now if the N800 guys can figure out why Google IMAP is so darn slow on OS2008...
  • Vitaly
    @Razor1973: As much as I know about the labels with IMAP, they are accessible is a read-only way: in email setting you can choose to retrieve mail only from a specific folder/label, but you can't label or remove label from messages.
  • As I live in a somewhat patchy coverage area, the bug that turns the auto-retrieve off, had always meant that using the built-in S60 app was a chore.

    However, that was on my N95. Since reading this article, I decided to give it a go on my N82, and the bug does not seem to be present.

    I have lost my signal on a number of occasions, and the auto-retrieve is still active.

    So looks like it may be a handset issue, rather than, what I expected it to be, an S60 wide issue.
  • @Steve: It's good to learn some S60 phones don't have this problem which has plagued all of my S60 3rd Ed. phones so far. It's not a phone specific issue per se. Apparently, it's an O/S version specific problem. Your N82 has Symbian 9.2, whereas your N95 as well as my E61 and E61i all feature Symbian 9.1. At first, I thought it was the lack of Feature Pack 1 in me ESeries phones, but it's not that either, since the N96 has it and still has the problem. Again, I'm glad Nokia has finally nipped the problem on the newer O/S version.
  • Eek
    For option #3 you said "The setup wizard is completely useless, but..." which wizard you used the email own one... I agree, try (path valid in N958GB) menu-tools-utilities-Sett.Wizard and it just asks your email address and the username + password... its pop3 settings, but easy :-) Nokia guys should add the imap4 settings there too.
  • @Eek - correct, I used the built-in messaging setup wizard. It barely asks you anything. There's no reason that Nokia can't implement a wizard that connects and downloads the CORRECT settings, in their entirety. I've reviewed several handsets recently for MobileBurn, and most of them offer this functionality.
  • The disabling of automatic checks after a check with no signal is what caused me to stop using the built-in client. It was also annoying that the application would occasionally freeze after replying to an email.

    After my institution started offering Exchange, I switched to Mail for Exchange, and I think this is by far the best solution. You set it up just like your desktop version, there's a variety of options for periodic checking, and as a bonus, your calendar and contacts are synced too.

    If you don't have Exchange through your employer, there are some companies which will provide hosted exchange. It's an extra level of setup, but it only has to be done once, and makes things far more useable.
  • Razor1973,

    What you've indicated about the "IMAP Bug" in the N95 / E61 phones really makes sense in that they are both Symbian 9.1. Its good to know that the N82 (Symbian 9.2) does NOT have the bug. I wonder if the Symbian 9.2 phones got rid of the call log showing only "mobile" type icons?

    Hmm.....
  • Carlos Le Mare
    You can access your gmail account from POP/SMTP and configure your S60 Phone to automatically connect and download mails every hour or so (it's configurable). That is a good alternative to IMAP, however is less secure (I heard that IMAP is more secure than POP/SMTP; I don't know why).

    The other problem (and IMAP alternative have the same problem) is that you cannot mark an email as spam.

    clemare
  • I Would like download Gmail S60 to my nokia N73. My Gmail mobile can't attach files. Are Guru know how do upload ? Or just with defauld browser or opera? Thank's. GBU.
  • Guy
    I agree with your article. The built in client works best for Gmail. I, too, hate how it disables auto-retrieve after a retrieval failure. pretty annoying. and the java client is slooow on my EDGE connection. Good article. Thanks.
  • BA
    Well,

    I dont know why nokia does'nt listen to this. I have been using Nokia mobile email for years now. For at least 3 years I've used my N72 with the setup but I stopped using the built in Nokia client. Reason? Auto-retrieval gets disabled when in low signal area. I dont know what benefit it gives by disabling the option. If my phone keeps trying, let it be so, its my headache that I set it up that way. I'm extremely unhappy that even the newest client does the same nonsense.
  • Hey, I am deciding which way to access my google apps email and in reading up I discovered that there is a new Google mobile 2.0 app. How does it compare with the above methods (mobile web/native email client) now with updates? Comments appreciated.
  • Any comments on how these compare now with Google's mobile java client 2.0 released in October?
  • Bionic Fresh
    I'm with the first commenter, emoze works great. System Seven has a great push service as well; even tho it slows my N82 down noticeably. But i can access my hotmail account with it,unlike emoze (at the moment). But emoze pushes multiple facebook messages as well, which is a superb and sensible feature.
  • I was using the mobile Gmail website, because the Gmail app took an agonizingly long time to load. However, I just found that there is a version 2 of the java app. I installed it, and this one loads right away, so I'm back to using the Gmail for mobile app.
  • Justine
    I have largely defected to the other side, sorry!

    I used the Java client on N95 a lot and loved it.
    On N97, the keyboard shortcuts require for the most part to type in the key followed by the number, which is 2 key strokes versus 1.
    Unless Google offers a different client for the N97, I cannot use the keyboard letters like 'D' to Delete.

    Have a BB for work and have reverted to this device for Gmail by installing its dedicated client. The keyboard shortcuts are much better. I've configured the active BB profile to alert me with a distinct tone of new mails. I think the alert comes in around 15mins after the mail has actually arrived.

    On both Nokia's, if by some wrong manipulation or other unwanted input, I lose my composed message, it is lost. On the BB, when I mess up, the message is stored in the (mobile?) drafts automatically.

    For my part, I dont use attachments a lot but I wish there was a built-in method to send photos.

    I have not tried IMAP connection on the Nokia for sending attachments such as images. I will surely give it that a try in the future and perhaps adapt my already segmented use.

    Seems we are all toying with all the various methods and adjusting each to our personal use.

    Thank you for the comparison, it is very useful!
  • jaffa99
    I know this is an old thread but I have a broblem that I can't find an answer to in these comments. On my E71x using the ATT xpress mail client everything works fine except if I delete a mail on the phone it is deleted (not archived - it ends up in the trash) in my gmail account, If I resore it from the trash it is re-sent to my phone.

    This leaves me with no ability to clean up the inbox on my phone which is a real issue. Any ideas?
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