The Guru

The Guru, aka Ricky Cadden, started Symbian-Guru.com in November 2006, out of his excitement for the S60 3rd Edition version of Symella. The Guru has used Symbian devices since the Nokia 6620, and is known for his perspective as a power user. You can follow The Guru on Twitter at @Rcadden

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  • http://dotsisx.blogspot.com/ Dotsisx

    I think the people with OSX already have a syncing posibility with iTunes, so they have had it nice before us. I would definitely like to see Nokia release this for Mac and Linux, but i don’t see it as a NECESSITY for Mac, at least not until the Music Store pane is working ;)

  • http://dotsisx.blogspot.com Dotsisx

    I think the people with OSX already have a syncing posibility with iTunes, so they have had it nice before us. I would definitely like to see Nokia release this for Mac and Linux, but i don’t see it as a NECESSITY for Mac, at least not until the Music Store pane is working ;)

  • Viipottaja

    Excellent “preview” and great ideas. I think for Nokia the challenge also is to keep it simple enough for everyone and balancing different “likes”. Not everyone would necessarily want all that control that you would like, or way of organizing the view etc.

    But more importantly: PLEASE tell me you used country music just as an illustration and not because you actually listen to that hillibilly red neck stuff.. ;) :) :P

  • Viipottaja

    Excellent “preview” and great ideas. I think for Nokia the challenge also is to keep it simple enough for everyone and balancing different “likes”. Not everyone would necessarily want all that control that you would like, or way of organizing the view etc.

    But more importantly: PLEASE tell me you used country music just as an illustration and not because you actually listen to that hillibilly red neck stuff.. ;) :) :P

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com/ The Guru

    I agree. I mean, there are 2 things to keep in mind, imo. This app is a direct competitor for my desktop attention to iTunes and, to a smaller degree, Windows Media Player. It’s also in beta, not even with a first full release yet, so they should be cut a bit of slack.

    My mom can use iTunes (and does), with simplicity, but then I can get in and really get the granular options that I’ve mentioned above. It’s going to be key for Nokia to figure this out. While doing that, they’re going to HAVE to watch their weight, and make sure this doesn’t get overloaded.

    If you’re mired in iTunes already, this app currently isn’t going to make you switch, imo. However, if, like me, you’ve been pandering back and forth, desperately seeking a way to manage the music on your device with something more meaningful than drag and drop, I’m hopeful.

    Note, also, in the comments on the Beta Labs, Mark says that Last.FM scrobbling is up on the priority list, which is good. :)

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com The Guru

    I agree. I mean, there are 2 things to keep in mind, imo. This app is a direct competitor for my desktop attention to iTunes and, to a smaller degree, Windows Media Player. It’s also in beta, not even with a first full release yet, so they should be cut a bit of slack.

    My mom can use iTunes (and does), with simplicity, but then I can get in and really get the granular options that I’ve mentioned above. It’s going to be key for Nokia to figure this out. While doing that, they’re going to HAVE to watch their weight, and make sure this doesn’t get overloaded.

    If you’re mired in iTunes already, this app currently isn’t going to make you switch, imo. However, if, like me, you’ve been pandering back and forth, desperately seeking a way to manage the music on your device with something more meaningful than drag and drop, I’m hopeful.

    Note, also, in the comments on the Beta Labs, Mark says that Last.FM scrobbling is up on the priority list, which is good. :)

  • Viipottaja

    Yep, I fully agree on all you said. If the PC Client, the phone and the Music Store (and the Ovi more broadly speaking) all link and sync seamlessly, I am sure a significant number would move to using it.

    Convergence is finally in music too starting to get to a point where a lot of people will forego buying a dedicated player. Apple has obviously realised that too and is fighting a good fight, but I am not sure they can keep the market share in electronic music they have now.

    Ps. I note you ignored my country music question.. oh man, don’t tell me you do.. lol.. ;)

  • Viipottaja

    Yep, I fully agree on all you said. If the PC Client, the phone and the Music Store (and the Ovi more broadly speaking) all link and sync seamlessly, I am sure a significant number would move to using it.

    Convergence is finally in music too starting to get to a point where a lot of people will forego buying a dedicated player. Apple has obviously realised that too and is fighting a good fight, but I am not sure they can keep the market share in electronic music they have now.

    Ps. I note you ignored my country music question.. oh man, don’t tell me you do.. lol.. ;)

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com/ The Guru

    Yes, I have nearly 1500 tracks in my ‘Country’ genre, and I love every single cotton-pickin’ one of ‘em! Hehe.

    Honestly, Apple’s got a good stronghold on the market, but I think that’s going to start slipping away. Nokia already ships more MP3 players per year than anyone else, and have for a few years. The problem is that with Nokia’s ‘mp3 players’, getting music ON there is a royal pain, and thus no one gets far enough to realize that Nokia’s starting to dominate on the listening options.

    Conversely, Apple’s got the PC-to-device thing nailed, and strongly. But that’s really (imo) their only strength right now.

    If Nokia makes it just as easy to get music onto their MP3 players as it is to get music onto Apple’s MP3 players, they’re going to give Apple *alot* of trouble. Maybe not topple them altogether, but they’ll make a bigger dent than you’d think.

    My iPod died over a year ago, and honestly, my N95 accomplishes the exact same goal, with more flexibility (A2DP, built-in speakers, download Podcasts on the go, etc). The only times I’ve looked back towards my iPod was intelligent management of my music, as outlined above with smart playlists. If Nokia nails that, there’s no more reason for me to look back.

    That may sound like I’m drinkin the kool-aid, but that’s the facts, from my personal usage.

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com The Guru

    Yes, I have nearly 1500 tracks in my ‘Country’ genre, and I love every single cotton-pickin’ one of ‘em! Hehe.

    Honestly, Apple’s got a good stronghold on the market, but I think that’s going to start slipping away. Nokia already ships more MP3 players per year than anyone else, and have for a few years. The problem is that with Nokia’s ‘mp3 players’, getting music ON there is a royal pain, and thus no one gets far enough to realize that Nokia’s starting to dominate on the listening options.

    Conversely, Apple’s got the PC-to-device thing nailed, and strongly. But that’s really (imo) their only strength right now.

    If Nokia makes it just as easy to get music onto their MP3 players as it is to get music onto Apple’s MP3 players, they’re going to give Apple *alot* of trouble. Maybe not topple them altogether, but they’ll make a bigger dent than you’d think.

    My iPod died over a year ago, and honestly, my N95 accomplishes the exact same goal, with more flexibility (A2DP, built-in speakers, download Podcasts on the go, etc). The only times I’ve looked back towards my iPod was intelligent management of my music, as outlined above with smart playlists. If Nokia nails that, there’s no more reason for me to look back.

    That may sound like I’m drinkin the kool-aid, but that’s the facts, from my personal usage.

  • JonnyBruha

    “6. Go deeper – When I right-click on a track, I want to see 3 more options – Play more from this artist (in my library), Play this album, and Play more from this genre.”

    I found all three of those, in order under the File> menu. :)

  • JonnyBruha

    “6. Go deeper – When I right-click on a track, I want to see 3 more options – Play more from this artist (in my library), Play this album, and Play more from this genre.”

    I found all three of those, in order under the File> menu. :)

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com The Guru

    @JonnyBruha – I have those under Show Me More… but the options are greyed out. I was assuming that this would potentially lead you to the Music Store as a recommendation sale. I want the option to have it pull from my existing library.

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com/ The Guru

    @JonnyBruha – I have those under Show Me More… but the options are greyed out. I was assuming that this would potentially lead you to the Music Store as a recommendation sale. I want the option to have it pull from my existing library.

  • JonnyBruha

    You are correct, sir.

    After playing with it, the one thing I really like is the organization of duplicate files. MediaMonkey and iTunes just gives me a huge list of songs by artist, sorted by album, but if I have the album in two places for whatever reason, they show up mixed in with one another. Nokia Music gives it to separate locations by album, so A)I don’t hear every song in an album play through twice, and B)I can look and delete the second location much easier. I don’t know if I explained that correctly, but I think you get the idea.

  • JonnyBruha

    You are correct, sir.

    After playing with it, the one thing I really like is the organization of duplicate files. MediaMonkey and iTunes just gives me a huge list of songs by artist, sorted by album, but if I have the album in two places for whatever reason, they show up mixed in with one another. Nokia Music gives it to separate locations by album, so A)I don’t hear every song in an album play through twice, and B)I can look and delete the second location much easier. I don’t know if I explained that correctly, but I think you get the idea.

  • talhamid

    How is this an improvement over Windows Media Player 11? Or itunes?

  • talhamid

    How is this an improvement over Windows Media Player 11? Or itunes?

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com/ The Guru

    @talhamid – It depends alot on what portable device you’re wanting to use, and your personal preferences. I tried using Windows Media Player 11 for a while, and found the library features to be unusable. Tagging, in particular, is a sore spot here. If you use a 3rd party tagging app, WMP doesn’t update the tags, or reload the information. I also found the playlist features to be a pain, and the interface is much too….showy.

    iTunes is the closest competitor, and it actually works great as a desktop music management system. However, if you’ve tried syncing your S60-powered device with iTunes, you’ll know why this app is so attractive. The only way I was able to do it is with iTunes Agent, and that only allows syncing one playlist, from the PC to the device, not the other way around.

    I wouldn’t go so far as to say that in its current state, the Nokia Music PC Client hands down beats the rest – yet. But I see some serious potential.

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com The Guru

    @talhamid – It depends alot on what portable device you’re wanting to use, and your personal preferences. I tried using Windows Media Player 11 for a while, and found the library features to be unusable. Tagging, in particular, is a sore spot here. If you use a 3rd party tagging app, WMP doesn’t update the tags, or reload the information. I also found the playlist features to be a pain, and the interface is much too….showy.

    iTunes is the closest competitor, and it actually works great as a desktop music management system. However, if you’ve tried syncing your S60-powered device with iTunes, you’ll know why this app is so attractive. The only way I was able to do it is with iTunes Agent, and that only allows syncing one playlist, from the PC to the device, not the other way around.

    I wouldn’t go so far as to say that in its current state, the Nokia Music PC Client hands down beats the rest – yet. But I see some serious potential.

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