Dotsisx

Dotsisx, aka Rita El Khoury, joined Symbian-Guru.com in September of 2007, and has been writing awesome content ever since. Rita often explores the normal user aspect of Symbian-powered devices, and offers in-depth thoughts on various topics. You can follow Dotsisx on Twitter at @Khouryrt

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  • roma
    Thanks for this insight. I guess I'm one of the 1%, and this info favours my N82 instead of maybe going for the N85. Hope to see more of these comperisons in the near future.
  • Viipottaja
    Interesting indeed. Is the dual led on the N96 exactly the same as in the N85? I thought the N85's micro-optics (I think that's what they called it) have been further improved, even over the one found in N96?
  • dual LED FTW! :0
  • wow thanks Rita I have been dying to see a test like this. I love my N82 but there is just so much more that the n85 brings to the table like battery life oled screen, usb charging, and of course NAM 3g for us Americans.

    but i'm still not sure that I'd be able to go out on friday/sat night without my n82. i've capture so many great photos at bars/restaurants/friends & families houses that the n95's led flash would've failed at. i'll give the dual led a try but i just dont think its gonna do it for me.

    Rita can I ask you one thing. Besides the difference in lighting between the xenon and led, there is also a timing factor. as Rafe mentioned in the n85 review they had, the n82 is still better at "freezing" the moment. in other words the picture is taking much faster. with the n95 in a dim room it took longer to get the picture you want and it often came out blurry and grainy if someone moved during the shot. the n82 as zero problems with this. did you notice a difference in time between the n82 and n85. is the wait time similar to the n95? thanks!
  • Interesting comparison Rita!!! I was wondering who will do it!

    The dual LED flash gives one the impression that there is smoke inside the room! Look at the xenon flash... there seems to be a much better representation.

    Its funny to have done away with a xenon flash.... Guess Nokia likes taking the hard route when it is more sensible to take the other way!

    I just put a post yesterday about what the N96 is lacking... You won't believe I came up with a list of 11 things that it does not have! check it out!
  • Ya you are indeed correct Rita,also haven't you noticed that sometimes the LED flash makes images white-washed especially in macro mode.I didn't experienced this with the N82,but in my N95 8GB it happens frequently.
    And what is the reason behind replacing the Xenon with Dual LED,does the Xenon consume much power??
  • ashu
    thanks rita.
    I always had this belief that no phone without a good xenon for me. I am a pic freak. I seriously do not understand all this hoopla over n 85. Well, i do not remember whether it was steve or tzer, the latest and the greatest n series!
  • Anup
    Thanks i have been waiting for this comparison for sometime now...wonder when xenon flash will become a standard. wonder why when Nokia has such a potent thing to beat off all its competitors, i still keeps on using LED's...
  • Cheung Yuen Wong
    Finally someone doing this comparison >_<
    Indeed I do hope they improve the quality in the pictures in the N96 (or the other phones for that matter)

    Very nice videos especially the first one with the recaps with the still images of the N85 dual led and the N82 xenon flash.
    It really shows the difference.

    The second video also shows that while using led it's a bit better it does however make the video a bit blurry.
    However I'm quite sure that during night time or darker rooms the N85 will easily outmatch the N82 when it comes to video recording.

    I too love my N82, but I think I'm still going to get the N85 when it arrives.

    @Ravindra
    I thought it was quite obvious why they replaced the Xenon with dual LED's.

    1. Xenon flash can only burst out light at one moment. There is no way for a Xenon flash to maintain it's flash on.
    Uses a bit more battery.
    2. LED's can maintain their lights on that's why you can turn your LED on during video recording. Uses a little less battery.

    (3. It's cheaper to use LED's as this has been around for quite a while and improved during it's time)
  • Peter Rullmann
    Hi Rita. Could you show us how the Dual-LED performs in an absolute dark room, where the N82 would have no chance recording video?
  • Sim
    Thanks Rita!

    This case is clear. Xenon beats dual-led hands down.
  • Hobbes
    Thanks so much for doing this test, It's just what I was looking for. I was really tempted by the N85, but I'll definitely be sticking with my N82. I think the only phone that'll be replacing my N82 is a S60 Nokia with a xenon flash...
  • Nice to see the Xenon beat down the Dual LED FLash .. i don't do much Videos, but i'm a Photo-Maniac - where the Xenon totally rocks!! :) .. One more Reason to love my black N82 hehe
  • Wait, so N96-captured images are that bad? I hope that's fixed before we get the final firmware
  • Viipotaja,
    You are right, the N85 (and maybe the N79) have microoptics used to improve the LED quality, Rafe on AAS reports that this makes the dual-LED equivalent to 3 LEDs on the likes of the N95. I hope that is correct, but in the meantime, I guess we'll have to wait and see.

    Mike Macias,
    I think you are right. I don't have the N85 anymore to test it out, but I believe the xenon freezes the moment, making capturing subjects, even if they're moving, a bit easier.

    Peter Rullman,
    Oh I would've done it, but I only had the phones for an hour, in daytime (and I couldn't run to a dark room to test it out). Also being that all phones were still early prototype and firmware, we can't really have a final judgment.

    Meraj,
    Again, this is early firmware, even the video caught on the N96 doesn't have full VGA resolution and I had TROUBLE editing it. I think things will be much more clear when the final software/hardware versions hit the street.
  • nick
    just as I suspected. Looks like i'll be staying with my N82 Black. :)
  • genXhippie
    Well late to the party again, but I guess I'm stuck w/ the N82 a bit longer.

    Btw, thanks for the comparison.
  • stef
    the "artificial light" in the last video is probably caused by the white balance: white LED's are very blueish so this should be compensated by the white balance (auto white balance tents to struggle with flash lights)
  • dudz
    well, i agree to the comparison and i myself see the difference.
    even i am not too expert in that matters, but i have proven that the LED, even the dual,(but looks same in output) is too crappy that the xenon flash...but i wonder why nokia is only making n82 which comes with xenon and the rest is LED? ist here something wrong with the xenon? what is its disadvantage? only the video? but we always have the pictures as the best memorabilia and not the video...so nokia, can you make all coming phones come with a real xenon flash? its better..
  • @Dudz well, Xenon takes more physical place and is still cramped in terms of video recording at night. The N86, which boosts dual-led now as well as a very good camera lens is capable of turning pictures almost as clear as the N82 in dark surroundings. Let's hope this tech is used in all Nseries forward.
  • OoMMen
    'Truly Symbian' GURU.Gr8 test there.
  • Umar
    Thanks it was very helpful i appreciate ur research
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