Dotsisx

Dotsisx, aka Rita El Khoury, joined Symbian-Guru.com in September of 2007, and has been writing awesome content ever since. Rita often explores the normal user aspect of Symbian-powered devices, and offers in-depth thoughts on various topics. You can follow Dotsisx on Twitter at @Khouryrt

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  • http://heyrowdy.blogspot.com/ Mathias

    I agree with you. It would bee like a movie phone or perfected Moto Z10. Maybe even a slightly better screen to boot, either in terms of size or resolution, but yeah now I’m the one dreaming.

    This way it would be sort of a watered down N96, but still fully portable media centric device.

    But maybe it would be hard to keep the price tag down. Yet if it was introduced now, a movie/music phone instead of gaming/music phone would be sort of the adult N81. Although maybe that is too close to the N96, since it would basically just be leaving out the 5mp and DVB.

  • http://heyrowdy.blogspot.com Mathias

    I agree with you. It would bee like a movie phone or perfected Moto Z10. Maybe even a slightly better screen to boot, either in terms of size or resolution, but yeah now I’m the one dreaming.

    This way it would be sort of a watered down N96, but still fully portable media centric device.

    But maybe it would be hard to keep the price tag down. Yet if it was introduced now, a movie/music phone instead of gaming/music phone would be sort of the adult N81. Although maybe that is too close to the N96, since it would basically just be leaving out the 5mp and DVB.

  • http://my.opera.com/Furie Furie

    Hmmm, add the TV-out from the N82, and the amount of on device memory and RAM from the N78 and the N81 8gb would be my perfect phone. I’m still waiting for Nokia to send mine back after Carphone Warehouse messed up my software update.

  • http://my.opera.com/Furie Furie

    Hmmm, add the TV-out from the N82, and the amount of on device memory and RAM from the N78 and the N81 8gb would be my perfect phone. I’m still waiting for Nokia to send mine back after Carphone Warehouse messed up my software update.

  • http://www.devolute.net/ devolute

    You’re talking about the N85, right?

  • http://www.devolute.net devolute

    You’re talking about the N85, right?

  • http://nseriesus.com/ matthew bennett

    What if you combined an N73 with a Music Express 5610. You’d end up with… Either. : )

  • http://nseriesus.com matthew bennett

    What if you combined an N73 with a Music Express 5610. You’d end up with… Either. : )

  • karen

    Actually I think you’re talking about the e66 :-)

    I would like the TV out but, for me, it has everything else and is certainly stylish

  • karen

    Actually I think you’re talking about the e66 :-)

    I would like the TV out but, for me, it has everything else and is certainly stylish

  • Nick

    Why does it matter if there is another slider phone … at all? :) I mean, after owning the N95-3 (which initially had a tight slider, btw), I will never own another slider phone again. Ever. (Thanks, Nokia).

    I wish I my N82 Black had US 3G, a bigger, brighter screen and maybe a keypad that doesn’t squeak.

    Otherwise, I’m happy.

  • Nick

    Why does it matter if there is another slider phone … at all? :) I mean, after owning the N95-3 (which initially had a tight slider, btw), I will never own another slider phone again. Ever. (Thanks, Nokia).

    I wish I my N82 Black had US 3G, a bigger, brighter screen and maybe a keypad that doesn’t squeak.

    Otherwise, I’m happy.

  • http://www.symbian-freak.com/ christexaport

    To me, both those phones are garbage entry level phones. And they don’t work on most US 3G carriers. No modern Nseries device should have under a 5 megapixel Carl Zeiss lens. Period. But Nokia has proven to know absolutely nothing about customer needs, building brand recognition, or market placement.

    That’s why I’m abandoning Symbian for Sony Ericsson’s XPeria1.

  • http://www.symbian-freak.com christexaport

    To me, both those phones are garbage entry level phones. And they don’t work on most US 3G carriers. No modern Nseries device should have under a 5 megapixel Carl Zeiss lens. Period. But Nokia has proven to know absolutely nothing about customer needs, building brand recognition, or market placement.

    That’s why I’m abandoning Symbian for Sony Ericsson’s XPeria1.

  • Anonymous

    one word.
    N85.

  • Aatif

    one word.
    N85.

  • Tim

    N81 is a ‘non-set’. it is one of the most underpowered and overpriced devices to appear, and takes the distinction of the first real lemon in the NSeries lineup, both in specs and in sales.

    Even N78 has a good feature set but at the moment, pricing it equal to N82 simply doesnt make sense.

    Nokia need to get their pricing right. And they better make sure that if they are charging premium prices, they are giving a decent feature set in return.

    Here is what I think should be bare minimum for NSeries devices for the next year or two:
    1) At least 2.6 inch screen
    2) Loudspeaker that is actually LOUD
    3) At least a 3.2 MP autofocus camera
    4) At least 128 MB of RAM
    5) GPS, TV Out, motion sensor

    The rest of the feature set can be played around with

  • Tim

    N81 is a ‘non-set’. it is one of the most underpowered and overpriced devices to appear, and takes the distinction of the first real lemon in the NSeries lineup, both in specs and in sales.

    Even N78 has a good feature set but at the moment, pricing it equal to N82 simply doesnt make sense.

    Nokia need to get their pricing right. And they better make sure that if they are charging premium prices, they are giving a decent feature set in return.

    Here is what I think should be bare minimum for NSeries devices for the next year or two:
    1) At least 2.6 inch screen
    2) Loudspeaker that is actually LOUD
    3) At least a 3.2 MP autofocus camera
    4) At least 128 MB of RAM
    5) GPS, TV Out, motion sensor

    The rest of the feature set can be played around with

  • http://www.erictate.com/ Eric Tate

    @christexaport: that doesn’t make any sense. i personally just think you are rating what “the consumer wants” on your own particular vision of the perfect handset. while i do agree that the 5MP camera is a great addition (i use the N95-4 myself), not everyone has a need for their phone’s camera to be as high grade and don’t want to pay the extra cost associated with it. let’s face it, the overall quality of ANY picture taken from a phone’s camera leaves something to be desired whether it’s 5MP like the N95/N96/N82 or 3.2MP like the N78/E71. It isn’t the primary concern of all users. I personally think Nokia has done a great job of building brand recognition using the “multimedia computer” idea. By giving certain specs to different models, it allows for the user to have a choice. Let’s say you are a music fanatic who wants to have access to their music at a multitude of their daily places visited. You might see the N78 as a great option due it’s FM transmitter for while your in the car, office, home, whatever. Or if you love to take photos, clearly something like the N95 or N82 is going to be the one to grab your attention. Heavy e-mail/messaging user? The E series is going to be more geared towards them (specifically the E71 currently due to the QWERTY) keyboard.

    Let’s face it, if you try and stick every single high end feature available into one handset, it will bring on nothing but doom to that manufacturer. The price would be astronomical which would lessen the demand from many, the lack of choice of available models would lessen causing people that don’t want everything to be frustrated and look at other manufacturers, the manufacturer would be stuck at a stalemate and have nothing exciting to offer in their next model(s) causing frustration amongst dedicated buyers, among many other things that i could continue to list. but this comment is long enough as it is.

    Bottom line is, nothing you said makes sense in your comment. Especially since you said “That’s why I’m abandoning Symbian for Sony Ericsson’s XPeria1″ which does not have all of the specs that you think Nokia should be putting in this magical phone to satisfy your every needs. And not only that, but just remember that as amazing as the XPeria1 looks and is slated to perform like, under that shell is nothing more than Windows Mobile.

    Good luck to you. I’m sure we’ll be seeing you back in the Symbian world in no time.

  • http://www.obstaclescankill.com Eric

    @christexaport: that doesn’t make any sense. i personally just think you are rating what “the consumer wants” on your own particular vision of the perfect handset. while i do agree that the 5MP camera is a great addition (i use the N95-4 myself), not everyone has a need for their phone’s camera to be as high grade and don’t want to pay the extra cost associated with it. let’s face it, the overall quality of ANY picture taken from a phone’s camera leaves something to be desired whether it’s 5MP like the N95/N96/N82 or 3.2MP like the N78/E71. It isn’t the primary concern of all users. I personally think Nokia has done a great job of building brand recognition using the “multimedia computer” idea. By giving certain specs to different models, it allows for the user to have a choice. Let’s say you are a music fanatic who wants to have access to their music at a multitude of their daily places visited. You might see the N78 as a great option due it’s FM transmitter for while your in the car, office, home, whatever. Or if you love to take photos, clearly something like the N95 or N82 is going to be the one to grab your attention. Heavy e-mail/messaging user? The E series is going to be more geared towards them (specifically the E71 currently due to the QWERTY) keyboard.

    Let’s face it, if you try and stick every single high end feature available into one handset, it will bring on nothing but doom to that manufacturer. The price would be astronomical which would lessen the demand from many, the lack of choice of available models would lessen causing people that don’t want everything to be frustrated and look at other manufacturers, the manufacturer would be stuck at a stalemate and have nothing exciting to offer in their next model(s) causing frustration amongst dedicated buyers, among many other things that i could continue to list. but this comment is long enough as it is.

    Bottom line is, nothing you said makes sense in your comment. Especially since you said “That’s why I’m abandoning Symbian for Sony Ericsson’s XPeria1″ which does not have all of the specs that you think Nokia should be putting in this magical phone to satisfy your every needs. And not only that, but just remember that as amazing as the XPeria1 looks and is slated to perform like, under that shell is nothing more than Windows Mobile.

    Good luck to you. I’m sure we’ll be seeing you back in the Symbian world in no time.

  • Tim

    Hey, none of us looking for a perfect all-in-one phone. All we want is value for our cash. I also use my Nikon D60 for real photography, but (a) it is cumbersome to carry and it is not easy to share photos off it without involving the PC and (2) pics taken from camera phones in good daylight at least do capture the moment which otherwise you’d have missed. For me, my N82 camera does not take BRILLIANT photos but USABLE ones and sometimes that makes all the difference. N81′s pics are not even usable. So why have a cameraphone in the first place?

    I do think that some of his comments do make sense. We are talking bare minimum here. And let me remind you that SLR cameras do not make video, and if you have one, you cannot lug around ANOTHER consumer grade camera to make videos – the far more realistic and cost efficient choice is having a good camera phone with VGA video capabilities or better.

    After all, thats what a ‘multimedia computer’ is about.

  • Tim

    Hey, none of us looking for a perfect all-in-one phone. All we want is value for our cash. I also use my Nikon D60 for real photography, but (a) it is cumbersome to carry and it is not easy to share photos off it without involving the PC and (2) pics taken from camera phones in good daylight at least do capture the moment which otherwise you’d have missed. For me, my N82 camera does not take BRILLIANT photos but USABLE ones and sometimes that makes all the difference. N81′s pics are not even usable. So why have a cameraphone in the first place?

    I do think that some of his comments do make sense. We are talking bare minimum here. And let me remind you that SLR cameras do not make video, and if you have one, you cannot lug around ANOTHER consumer grade camera to make videos – the far more realistic and cost efficient choice is having a good camera phone with VGA video capabilities or better.

    After all, thats what a ‘multimedia computer’ is about.

  • Tim

    Forgive the verbose posts, but let me elaborate on that further. Just now our boss was scribbling our proposed organization chart on a whiteboard. He then (naturally) asked us to prepare it in Visio. All I did was snap out my N82, take a superb picture that covered the entire whiteboard, sent the picture to my laptop via bluetooth, and started working away. On a sidenote: that camera is as good as a scanner when it comes to taking pics of entire pages or documents, or even whiteboards!

    I could do that with my Nikon, but the point is, it is at home. And try doing that with the substandard camera in N81 or the iPhone.

  • Tim

    Forgive the verbose posts, but let me elaborate on that further. Just now our boss was scribbling our proposed organization chart on a whiteboard. He then (naturally) asked us to prepare it in Visio. All I did was snap out my N82, take a superb picture that covered the entire whiteboard, sent the picture to my laptop via bluetooth, and started working away. On a sidenote: that camera is as good as a scanner when it comes to taking pics of entire pages or documents, or even whiteboards!

    I could do that with my Nikon, but the point is, it is at home. And try doing that with the substandard camera in N81 or the iPhone.

  • http://dotsisx.blogspot.com/ Dotsisx

    Tim,
    That is true, but I definitely agree with Eric. 5MP is not and cannot be the bare minimum for everyone (yet). For example, my friend has the N73, and is extremely pleased with its 3.2MP cam, she didn’t bother to buy a separate digital camera since all she does is upload the pics to Facebook and view them on the PC. The N73 can also snap very nice images of whiteboards and documents, and before I bought the N95, we used to use her N73 to scan documents. Another friend of mine is perfectly happy with the 3250′s no-autofocus no-flash 2MP cam.
    If you have to pay more for a better camera, then I think giving the user the choice to pay or not to pay is essential for Nokia, like Eric said. A year ago, 2MP was the minimum on Nseries, this year it’s 3.2MP, next year, if prices drop, 5MP will be the minimum. The point is that you have to give people the option to choose a less expensive but still usable handset.

    Christexaport,
    I guess the lines I wrote above answer your comment.

  • http://dotsisx.blogspot.com Dotsisx

    Tim,
    That is true, but I definitely agree with Eric. 5MP is not and cannot be the bare minimum for everyone (yet). For example, my friend has the N73, and is extremely pleased with its 3.2MP cam, she didn’t bother to buy a separate digital camera since all she does is upload the pics to Facebook and view them on the PC. The N73 can also snap very nice images of whiteboards and documents, and before I bought the N95, we used to use her N73 to scan documents. Another friend of mine is perfectly happy with the 3250′s no-autofocus no-flash 2MP cam.
    If you have to pay more for a better camera, then I think giving the user the choice to pay or not to pay is essential for Nokia, like Eric said. A year ago, 2MP was the minimum on Nseries, this year it’s 3.2MP, next year, if prices drop, 5MP will be the minimum. The point is that you have to give people the option to choose a less expensive but still usable handset.

    Christexaport,
    I guess the lines I wrote above answer your comment.

  • Cheung Yuen Wong

    I agree that functionwise it would be quite par with perfect when combining those two devices.
    However after touching both the N81 (8Gb) and the N78 I find it still a bit plastic feel to it.

    When it comes to replacing digital cameras my previous Nokia phone did this already. When I realized that my Sony 2mpx still camera couldn’t take better pictures in the dark then my N6600. I simply dropped off from the digital camera rase.

    Then owning the N73, N95 and now N82 I haven’t had any major need for a digital camera.

    That being said I do know the quality of a better camera as one of my friends own a Canon EOS 350D DIGITAL.

    For my use I simply can go with the N82 still.

    What is good to see is that it seems as the Megapixel race is about to settle down for the mobile cameras.
    (I think it stopped around 10-12 mpx for digital compact cameras).
    The laws of physics can’t exactly be broken that easily.

  • Cheung Yuen Wong

    I agree that functionwise it would be quite par with perfect when combining those two devices.
    However after touching both the N81 (8Gb) and the N78 I find it still a bit plastic feel to it.

    When it comes to replacing digital cameras my previous Nokia phone did this already. When I realized that my Sony 2mpx still camera couldn’t take better pictures in the dark then my N6600. I simply dropped off from the digital camera rase.

    Then owning the N73, N95 and now N82 I haven’t had any major need for a digital camera.

    That being said I do know the quality of a better camera as one of my friends own a Canon EOS 350D DIGITAL.

    For my use I simply can go with the N82 still.

    What is good to see is that it seems as the Megapixel race is about to settle down for the mobile cameras.
    (I think it stopped around 10-12 mpx for digital compact cameras).
    The laws of physics can’t exactly be broken that easily.

  • http://antoinerjwright.com/ ARJWright

    This article sounds like one looking for the N85. And not that I blame you, it looks like a very solid device that is exactly just that – and N78 and N81 that have been merged. It will be good to see what comes from that.

  • http://antoinerjwright.com ARJWright

    This article sounds like one looking for the N85. And not that I blame you, it looks like a very solid device that is exactly just that – and N78 and N81 that have been merged. It will be good to see what comes from that.

  • http://www.womworld.com/nokia/3820/n78-n81-%e2%80%98sheer-fantasy%e2%80%99/ WOM World / Nokia » Blog Archive – N78 + N81 = ‘sheer fantasy’

    [...] Dotsisx has been thinking hard, and reckons that she may have found the solution to the age-old ‘perfect handset’ question. [...]

  • Tim

    Thanks for the feedback. As you will see, I dont insist on a 5 MP camera, but list a 3.2 MP one as a BARE MINIMUM for Nseries because thats the kind of money they are charging for these devices.

    And let me repeat so it will make me feel better: N81 is crap, stay away from it ;-)

  • Tim

    Thanks for the feedback. As you will see, I dont insist on a 5 MP camera, but list a 3.2 MP one as a BARE MINIMUM for Nseries because thats the kind of money they are charging for these devices.

    And let me repeat so it will make me feel better: N81 is crap, stay away from it ;-)

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com/welcome/2008/09/nokia-n85-hands-on-an-n95-in-an-n81s-dress.html Nokia N85 Hands-On, An N95 In An N81’s Dress?

    [...] reasons, I will keep eying it for a while, because it is a sort of answer to my question “What if the N78 and N81 were one?“, and even more of an answer to “What if the N95 and N81 were [...]

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