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1. So not a complete disaster so far.
   
   Does Nokia Maps install and work?
   
   Does Shozu work?
   
   Did you try unistalling some of the apps with any 3rd party file manager app?   by Viipottaja
   
2. That´s rather interesting. I wonder what happens with the new keys if you flash the original firmware on the at&t device. I knew that Nokia did other firmwares for for different carriers (on o2 germany brandings, the # key never works to put s60 phones in silent mode, just a little example) and i also new that the keypad looks different (o2 germany again, on the e65, without branding you have the "own" key with its sign, where on o2 devices there is the "letter" symbol on its place). I wonder how a mobile with the same model number can have a whole row of new buttons... They should have added at least an "i" to the number as it isn´t the same device anymore.   by Modser
   
3. I didn't try Nokia Maps. To be completely honest, if you've not tried AT&T's TeleNav, it's better (IMO) than Nokia Maps in alot of ways. I'm working on some screenshots and walkthroughs and whatnot.
   
   I'll give ShoZu a run, though with only <20MB of RAM, I can't imagine that's going to be a pleasant experience.
   
   Did I try uninstalling apps with any 3rd party file manager app? You mean the pre-installed apps? I tried tinkering around with X-Plore, but it's entirely possible that I don't know exactly what I'm doing. To be honest, I've not explored much of the hacking business, as I don't typically need it (and I still have a certificate for my N95-3).
   
   If you can link to a how-to on deleting pre-installed apps, I'm more than willing to tinker with it, though, and give it a run.   by TheGuru
   
4. Quote:

   Originally Posted by Modser That´s rather interesting. I wonder what happens with the new keys if you flash the original firmware on the at&t device. I knew that Nokia did other firmwares for for different carriers (on o2 germany brandings, the # key never works to put s60 phones in silent mode, just a little example) and i also new that the keypad looks different (o2 germany again, on the e65, without branding you have the "own" key with its sign, where on o2 devices there is the "letter" symbol on its place). I wonder how a mobile with the same model number can have a whole row of new buttons... They should have added at least an "i" to the number as it isn´t the same device anymore.

   That's the thing - the AT&T one and the T-Mobile one have different RM-XXX numbers (somewhat like the N95-2 and N95-4, I suppose), so the firmwares are different.
   
   I have pretty much confirmed with a few sources that there is not, and will not be an unbranded firmware for the AT&T 6650. Since the keypad was custom-designed for AT&T, it's this or nothing.   by TheGuru
   
5. Quote:

   Originally Posted by TheGuru That's the thing - the AT&T one and the T-Mobile one have different RM-XXX numbers (somewhat like the N95-2 and N95-4, I suppose), so the firmwares are different. I have pretty much confirmed with a few sources that there is not, and will not be an unbranded firmware for the AT&T 6650. Since the keypad was custom-designed for AT&T, it's this or nothing.

   That sucks. I remeber two or three years ago, when there was a big discussion going on in germany whether Nokia will provide that far branded devices or not. Vodafone Germany cripples every phone and Nokia did clearly say that they won´t support this. So even if you bought a Vodafone s60 handset (which were dirty cheap) you just could hide the VF icons, change themes and sounds and bookmarks and voilá, the branding was gone. Quite disappointing to see that Nokia changed their mind about carriers forcing their paying customers to use what the carriers want and not what the manufacturer of the device wants the customer to be able to do with a handset.    by Modser
   
6. Yes. I would be alot happier if AT&T hadn't hardwired its icons in their places, if I could just dump them all into a Crap folder, it would be a better phone for the power user. However, it's very apparent, both in where the phone was being displayed in the store, and the various features allowed/blocked in S60, that AT&T still doesn't view S60 as a 'smartphone' OS.   by TheGuru
   
7. The most annoying thing so far with this is that you can only pick a ringtone that is less than 300 KB. So forget using your typical MP3s.   by Monadi
   
8. Nokia phones usually have very powerful bluetooth implementations and functionality, but bluetooth is one of the first things that carriers cripple. How about on this phone?
   
   Can you send a file (from another phone or PC) to this phone over bluetooth? The carriers often don't like this because it provides you with an easy and free way to get content onto the phone without the carrier. This is the bluetooth OPP (object push profile).
   
   Is the bluetooth functionality in the Java VM crippled? To figure this out you would have to run a bluetooth Java midlet, or run one of the Java midlet's that tests your phone's Java. Verizon has been aggressive in keeping this out of BREW phones, but it is less common for this to be crippled on GSM phones.   by Unregistered
   
9. @Monadi - that's easily overcome using Audacity to cut the MP3 down a bit.
   
   @Unregistered - Thus far, I've used Bluetooth with both a mono and stereo Bluetooth headset (the Cardo S-800 and Motorola S9-HD), have synced with my computer via PC Suite, and have sent pictures and applications both TO and FROM the phone. There doesn't seem to be any crippling there, but good thinking.
   
   Honestly, aside from the internal branding, there doesn't seem to have been much 'crippling' done to the phone. Since Opera Mini works well, I'm inclined to believe that AT&T mostly left this one alone.
   
   As noted, the list of S60 applications that work fine far outweighs the list of ones that have issues.   by TheGuru
   
10. Nokia Maps working, but I had to install nokia maps 1.0 first (N75 version) and than I installed h@cked Nokia Maps 2.0, it works like a charm    by Unregistered
    
11. can we get a screenshot of the standby?
    
    and unrelated, but I wonder if you still have a branded N75, wanna see the so called Remington UI   by fwrnando
    
12. > Nokia Maps working, but I had to install nokia maps 1.0 first (N75 version) and than I installed h@cked Nokia Maps 2.0, it works like a charm
    
    Can you please elaborate on what this hacked version of Nokia maps is.
    
    I went to ATT store and installed Google maps on the demo phone to verify that GPS works with it properly. However, I would like to have offline maps (Nokia maps + map loader). Can you please let me know how you managed to install it. I'm planning to buy this phone, but Nokia's website for this phone is horrible. Most of the apps dont support 6650.   by Unregistered
    
13. What are the included accessories. Can you find out if these are packaged:
    microSD card
    microUSB-cable
    headset
    
    I don't see these three accessories in Nokia's website.
    http://www.nokiausa.com/A41195640
    
    This is disappointing.   by Unregistered
    
14. hi there, am from germany and using the 6650 since couple of weeks now, am happy with the device so far. After seeing the pics i have to says that the at&t branding is terrible, how can they ad 3 more keys to this device ? the keyboard is already very small and uncomfortable ! B.t.w., is it true that theres also no fm radio in the us version ? br   by Unregistered
    
15. I verified that there is no Nokia maps and FM radio. Is it possible to install the FM radio app ?   by Unregistered
    
16. Do you know if you can view incoming text messages from the external screen without having to open the device at all?
    
    
    Thanks,
    
    -Mark   by Unregistered
    
17. The gmail app can run on the ATT 6650. There is a problem with the text entry.
    If you get to a text entry field, hit the "5" key and a txt entry window will open.
    
    There is no memory card included with this phone, and no cable.
    I like it anyway.
    Dave   by mrrphone
    
18. Quote:

    Originally Posted by Unregistered Do you know if you can view incoming text messages from the external screen without having to open the device at all? Thanks, -Mark

    YES. The external display is surprisingly useful. I'm trying to figure out a good way to put together a video demo (the display itself is slightly washed out - enough to make videos tough, but not enough to make the display useless).
    
    There's a mini menu that pops up and you can do a number of different things - including viewing an entire incoming message.   by TheGuru
    
19. Quote:

    Originally Posted by mrrphone The gmail app can run on the ATT 6650. There is a problem with the text entry. If you get to a text entry field, hit the "5" key and a txt entry window will open. There is no memory card included with this phone, and no cable. I like it anyway. Dave

    Thanks for the update, Dave. I didn't try '5', but I'm glad to know it works OK. The app ran just fine, so I figured there was something else that was causing me the headache mentioned in the post.   by TheGuru
    
20. Another "feature" of the ATT6650,
    The open and close flip detection switch is magnetic.
    If you have a case with a magnetic closure, you may find that inserting the phone in the case will unlock the phone and trigger the outer screen touch keys.   by mrrphone
    
21. YES. The external display is surprisingly useful. I'm trying to figure out a good way to put together a video demo (the display itself is slightly washed out - enough to make videos tough, but not enough to make the display useless).
    
    There's a mini menu that pops up and you can do a number of different things - including viewing an entire incoming message.
    
    
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    O wow that's perfect. Yeah let me know if you ever get that video going.
    
    
    -Mark   by Unregistered
    
22. would be interesting if we could use the external display with other apps then only musicplayer, camera, timer e.t.c.
    
    guess this needs to have a deeper hack (btw installserver runs just fine)   by Unregistered
    
23. Okay, so I loaded MagicKey on my 6650, I have it running... I'm trying to remap the GPS and the MediaNet keys as the original article suggested but I can't find them within the key list.
    
    Anyone know how I can figure this out?   by Stunod7
    
24. One big problem for the ATT Nokia6650 is the "rerun" of the model number.
    There has been another Nokia 6650, which is a completely different device.
    Sites like Google and Opera are using the Browser User Agent to identify the device without this info. The Browser string needs to be more closely checked by these sites, to deliver the correct software downloads.   by mrrphone
    
25. try searching 6650fold or flip.
    
    i only saw the dumby phone at the store since the working model was not available at the time.
    the nonworking model felt and looked horrible. i hope to be able to get a hold of a working demo and at least be able to somewhat deal with it.
    i have an upgrade and truly there are no phones being offered by att that i am interested on.
    going with or without a contract really makes no difference to me. i might as well get a discounted device while the opportunity is there.   by epvq30
    
26. I am stumped and hoping someone here might be able to help. I recently got a Nokia 6650 flip phone from AT&T and overall am pretty happy with it. One thing that has happened that puzzles me is that the video clip quality settings seem to be impossible for me to change.
    
    When I first got the phone, it recorded video in a decent resolution, though nowhere near as good as the still images. I think the files it saved were in m4v or m4p format. The only "video quality" settings offered on the phone seem to be "Short" and "Maximum". While trying to see if I could improve the video quality, I changed it from Maximum (the default) to Short. The phone warned me that video quality would be impacted, and I hit "OK" to confirm. The video quality is now much more with many compression errors and is saved in "3gp" format. I changed the setting back to "maximum" but other than allowing longer record times, it is still the same crappy 3gp format.
    
    HELP! How do I change back to the higher quality m4v or m4p format? I have found no help for this in my manual or on any online resource. Thanks in advance to anyone who might have some advice.   by Unregistered
    
27. Hey Guru buddy......how'd you get Mobbler to stream on the 6650? Man, that thing just ain't a working on the 6650 I got from Amazon before Christmas.
    
    The phone's Software is V3.25, Custom is V3.25.01. When I first loaded up Mobbler and created a LastFM acct., the only thing it'd do when online was scrobble. I could never hear a dang thing! After upgrading to V3.2, at least when I select a station, it fetchs and song info gets displayed, but still it won't begin playing the tracks and there's no audio The little center button icon switches from the playing arrow to the stop square, but it's not playing.
    
    Any suggestions anyone
    
    At least on a positive note, I was able to load up Nokia's N95 version of their streaming radio player and at least that works! ha.   by dcmike
    
28. Good review, I have a question regarding email communication. I sometimes travel on business for a few days and rather then using a blackberry I just want to sync my email manually when I travel. Nokia offers mail for exchange as an application to be used with the 6650. Will it run properly on the AT&T branded Version?
    
    Thanks!   by Unregistered
    
29. i'm just coming up to speed on an at&t branded 6650 - and myself and my co-workers, who have had them company provided - are all experiecing unspeakable bluetooth weirdness...
    
    PC pairings connect and disconnect randomly... our fleet vehicles have MS sync systems that only seem to work about 30% of the time... with prior nokia phones this stuff was rock solid...
    
    have puchased an XLINK bluetooth voice gateway for the device that won't pair at all...
    
    just wondering if anyone else is seeing this in the field...trying to get at&t to admit that the may have effed up the device is like pulling teeth without anethesthetic.. =8-o
    
    after 15 years of nokia use its enough to make ya cry...   by Unregistered
    
30. Ups and downs with the first 24 hours with this phone. I'm highly disappointed at the lack of USB cable, especially since it's different than the 3 types of USB cable I already have, and that the AT&T store did not carry the cable. I was going nuts trying to install some applications, since downloading files from my webserver just gave me an "unknown file type" message when I tried to install them.
    
    Fortunately, I also run an email server, and found that I could email the apps to an address that I set up as a mailbox, and I could install the files from the attachments.
    
    So far, I've installed Tracker from SmartPhoneWare. This is definitely a keeper app. Not only does it let me basically replace the AT&T desktop with one that makes sense to me, it also lets me remap keys, especially the #$%*ing PTT and AT&T Navigator keys. There's no way I'm going to pay extra for those services.
    
    I installed Nokia Maps (using the E50 as the device as recommended here: http://ericscorner.blogspot.com/2008...okia-6650.html ) and it works great. It locked right up with GPS and mapped my location quickly. So much for AT&T's $10/mo Navigator service.
    
    I also installed M-Sudoku, a Java app that I'd been used to using as a timekiller on my old Razr V3. Once I emailed the .jar and .jad files to the phone, installation was simple.
    
    I'm very happy with this phone for the first day. I can definitely see an SD card in my future for it!   by unregistered