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1. Great news not just for s60, but for AT&T users as it sounds like we'll finally get a real, subsidized s60 phone.   by Pete
   
2. 1) Pete, AT&T has had several Nokia S60s in the lineup before, so your statement is incorrect (unless you mean high end). Furthermore, NAM version is no proof yet that AT&T will actually carry it
   3) Ricky, saying Nokia is paying "lip service" to the US market is IMHO a gross miss statement (if they've not made any_more_ progress by end of CY2010 I'll take this back), but I guess you wanted yet again to be a bit more aggressive than needed or warranted in your blogging - as bloggers often/usually do.    by Viipottaja
   
3. it's been 2 years, and we've yet to see any real growth in the U.S. market.
   
   yes, we've seen new models with U.S. 3G, quicker firmware updates, etc. but they've yet to show any real growth in sales, share,or presence, either unlocked or through carriers.   by TheGuru
   
4. Nokia has paid little more than lip service to the American market for years. They abhor the service providers here, and are far too arrogant to work with them.
   
   I do think it's remarkable that a Finn has already (and predictably) jumped on board to defend them, though. It's pretty late in Helsinki right now.   by Unregistered
   
5. What? Nokia is ignoring the USA market? Quite the opposite, they converted their NY research office in a AT&T joint office, they developed the 6555 exclusively to the US. If anyone is ignoring someone, is the US carriers, which keep thinking Nokia doesn't have too much of a brand name here to make serious high end phones.\
   
   Anyone remember the cingular branded N80, which was ultimately canceled because at&t didn't wanted wifi on it?
   
   Honestly, seeing people take the carrier side of the argument, even here, has surprised me.   by Unregistered
   
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   Originally Posted by Unregistered What? Nokia is ignoring the USA market? Quite the opposite, they converted their NY research office in a AT&T joint office, they developed the 6555 exclusively to the US. If anyone is ignoring someone, is the US carriers, which keep thinking Nokia doesn't have too much of a brand name here to make serious high end phones.\ Anyone remember the cingular branded N80, which was ultimately canceled because at&t didn't wanted wifi on it? Honestly, seeing people take the carrier side of the argument, even here, has surprised me.

   No one's siding with the carrier here. I've seen what AT&T does to the few S60 phones they *do* carry, and it ain't pretty. All I said was that Nokia, in 2 years, has yet to make any sort of measurable growth in the U.S., either in sales, market share, or presence, either through the carriers, or unlocked.   by TheGuru
   
7. First Unregistered, terve, mita kuuluu? Yes, I am a Finn but I live in the US and can easily see how difficult it it to crack the carrier nut here. The CDMA disputes for years did not help either. Nokia, AFAIK, basically reset their whole US operation 2-3 years ago. As the 2nd Unregistered points out, Nokia at that time took very radical measures to try and start pleasing the carriers - really bending over for them. The fruits have taken too long to ripen. I agree on that with the Guru and its in particular unfortunate from Nokia's point of view given that Motos dire straits has provided a historic opportunity to regain some of the lost market share - however, given the radical restructuring of Nokia's operations in the US it is somewhat (not completely) understandable as well.
   
   But there are some fruit that are becoming ripe and have been harvested. Right now, they have Nokia 1680, 2610, 2760, 3555, 5310, 5610 on T-Mobile - not bad, not bad at all; glarick lack of S60. Nokia 2600, 2610, 6085, 6555, 6650 on AT&T - could be better, and there are rumors of a few more models going in. Nokia 2605, 6205 on Verizon - needs to get better, CDMA efforts lately appear to gaining some speed. Overall, Nokia needs a few smash hits in the higher end to get brand recognition up again and the halo effect going (which, btw, Apple has not yet capitalized on but may in the next couple of years (i.e. bring out cheaper variants that less wealthy consumers can by to get the glow of the flagship phone).
   
   Also, 1st Unegistered, go to New York for example (well, you should have gone by now, the strong Euro is not as strong anymore) - amazing number of E71 ads around. Go to Mobileburn.com - every time I've gone there in the last few weeks, I've been greeted by an E71 ad.
   
   Etc.
   
   So, to say thay are only paying lip service is a miss statement in my opinion. I am not defending Nokia, 1st Unregistered. I am start trying to keep some facts in the discussion as well.   by Viipottaja
   
8. One thing to note, in at least one product line Nokia is actually being more US-centric than Euro-centric.
   
   Nokia's internet tablets, which are developed mostly in the US, have had a remarkable amount of resources poured into them for the past three years considering their very small sales. They're very US-oriented, they include services such as Rhapsody and WiMax which are only available to Americans. From what I understand the bulk of tablet sales have been in America, and a number of American users refer to them as "the Nokia" as if they were Nokia's most significant product.
   
   If Nokia carries on with the tablets (which is a big if, considering the recession), it should get interesting when they get cellular compatibility, which was announced a few months ago at least for data.
   
   Whether or not Maemo devices start selling significantly, they are at least an example of Nokia trying to make a device line largely for the American market.   by Tzer2
   
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   Originally Posted by Tzer2 One thing to note, in at least one product line Nokia is actually being more US-centric than Euro-centric. Nokia's internet tablets, which are developed mostly in the US, have had a remarkable amount of resources poured into them for the past three years considering their very small sales. They're very US-oriented, they include services such as Rhapsody and WiMax which are only available to Americans. From what I understand the bulk of tablet sales have been in America, and a number of American users refer to them as "the Nokia" as if they were Nokia's most significant product. If Nokia carries on with the tablets (which is a big if, considering the recession), it should get interesting when they get cellular compatibility, which was announced a few months ago at least for data. Whether or not Maemo devices start selling significantly, they are at least an example of Nokia trying to make a device line largely for the American market.

   I really appreciate you chiming in, as I know you're knowledgable with the tablets, but as I'm sure you know from the current state of Tablet-Guru.com, I simply can't see the Tablets as being useful for Nokia to do anything in the U.S., especially grow respectable marketshare.
   
   Even with the latest version of the OS, and on the N810, they're far from consumer-friendly devices. I've sold off my N810, though I keep my N800 around for Mauku and the occasional Aisleriot Solitaire game. It's just a dead platform, IMO, as the community overall seemed more intent on porting other Operating Systems to it (Windows 3.1, Debian Linux, Palm, etc), rather than actually improving it.
   
   It's also *not* a very good Nseries device, in the least bit, but again, that's not really in context here.    by TheGuru
   
10. Internetablet as we've come to know them may indeed not survive (although I would give them the two more shots Nokia has itself talked about; i.e. N810 was supposedly only step 3 in a 5 step strategy to bring it to the consumer market; step 4 is more or less do or die). Instead, they may merge with the higher end of N Series (and perhaps E Series too) as Nokia has hinted at Linux based platforms eventually coming to their phone line up. Given that the next Internet Tablet (or actually, Multimedia Device/Computer as even Dr. Jaaksi now calls tem) is going to have 3G radio for data, the convergence seems to be already happening a bit.
    
    But, absolutely right: they will not significantly change Nokia's competitive position in the US in the short term.   by Viipottaja
    
11. Since you are on the topic of tablets, the TV show Fringe showed an FBI laptop shutdown screen showing "Symb_OS v9.3.1". I immediately thought what laptop runs Symbian?   by Unregistered