Dotsisx

Dotsisx, aka Rita El Khoury, joined Symbian-Guru.com in September of 2007, and has been writing awesome content ever since. Rita often explores the normal user aspect of Symbian-powered devices, and offers in-depth thoughts on various topics. You can follow Dotsisx on Twitter at @Khouryrt

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  • Xgrind

    Good Rant and spot on! Totally agreed with your points

  • Xgrind

    Good Rant and spot on! Totally agreed with your points

  • Roelofk

    Very nice read, and agree on the points made. I think one of the issues for me is, when using similar devices, you dont realise all the time “how many” applications you have open at a time. I had a N97 for a couple of days recently, and was very happy with both the battery life and the RAM, since I have taught myself on my 5800 to close my apps when I dont use them.
    I do think they can make this a more straight forward process to close down apps that runs idle in the background.

  • pseudofinn

    Why in the HELL didn’t Nokia learn from the first N95? Jokers. :-

  • pseudofinn

    Why in the HELL didn’t Nokia learn from the first N95? Jokers. :-\

  • Euan

    A possible solution to the lack of pyhsical RAM, would be to use virtual memory/paging file in the same way Windows does…

    I have been searching for any information regarding this for Symbian, then I found several articles about an upcoming Nokia Tablet the N900…

    The article includes the following:

    ‘The OMAP3430 500/600 Mhz processor and 1GB total virtual runtime memory (256MB physical RAM, 768MB virtual memory would mean that this mysterious device should not only outperform the N97 in day to day task and multi-tasking, but also in 3D games.’
    Source: http://thenokiaguide.com/2009/05/25/nokia%E2%80%99s-next-internet-tablet-is-a-n97-on-steroids/

    That sounds promising…

    If we could have such virtual memory on the N97, that could solve its RAM (or lack off) issues.

  • Euan

    A possible solution to the lack of pyhsical RAM, would be to use virtual memory/paging file in the same way Windows does…

    I have been searching for any information regarding this for Symbian, then I found several articles about an upcoming Nokia Tablet the N900…

    The article includes the following:

    ‘The OMAP3430 500/600 Mhz processor and 1GB total virtual runtime memory (256MB physical RAM, 768MB virtual memory would mean that this mysterious device should not only outperform the N97 in day to day task and multi-tasking, but also in 3D games.’
    Source: http://thenokiaguide.com/2009/05/25/nokia%E2%80%99s-next-internet-tablet-is-a-n97-on-steroids/

    That sounds promising…

    If we could have such virtual memory on the N97, that could solve its RAM (or lack off) issues.

  • lichmd

    again, well balanced and thoughtout article. i have 2 extra batteries and make sure to carry at least one daily. As you point out the battery indicator always demonstarte 7 bars until it drops to 4 and theb to 1 and then it just dies,
    i have found that just moving as many apps as possible to mass memory has “fixed” most of my memory issues, but if they had just added another 125 mb to this device it would be almost perfect.
    As it is I run Nimhbuzz, Mobbler, Gravity, MfE and Profimail and email, Gravity and calendar widgets with no crashing

  • lichmd

    again, well balanced and thoughtout article. i have 2 extra batteries and make sure to carry at least one daily. As you point out the battery indicator always demonstarte 7 bars until it drops to 4 and theb to 1 and then it just dies,
    i have found that just moving as many apps as possible to mass memory has “fixed” most of my memory issues, but if they had just added another 125 mb to this device it would be almost perfect.
    As it is I run Nimhbuzz, Mobbler, Gravity, MfE and Profimail and email, Gravity and calendar widgets with no crashing

  • http://www.dani2xll.com/ dani2xll

    Could you let us know where the two 2mb files are hiding as I would like to remove them using x-plore. Many thanks.

  • http://www.dani2xll.com dani2xll

    Could you let us know where the two 2mb files are hiding as I would like to remove them using x-plore. Many thanks.

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com/ TheGuru

    The video file can be found in the normal Video browser. The Mail For Exchange file, I believe, is located in C:/Apps or C:/Install or something really simple like that. I’ve already sent my N97 back, but that should help you until Rita is able to respond with the correct path.

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com TheGuru

    The video file can be found in the normal Video browser. The Mail For Exchange file, I believe, is located in C:/Apps or C:/Install or something really simple like that. I’ve already sent my N97 back, but that should help you until Rita is able to respond with the correct path.

  • jaclu

    Video C:DATAVIDEOS
    the Mail For Exchange file I had already deleted so cant remember where it was

  • jaclu

    Video C:\DATA\VIDEOS
    the Mail For Exchange file I had already deleted so cant remember where it was

  • joe

    Great review. Hard to disagree with any of your points. If one uninstalls the video file that is used during start-up, how is the phone affected?

  • joe

    Great review. Hard to disagree with any of your points. If one uninstalls the video file that is used during start-up, how is the phone affected?

  • http://www.symbian-freak.com/ christexaport

    Couldn’t have said it better. Also, the task manager, app switching, and app closing is very slow on the N97. The Touch UI has slowed down the best feature of S60, and its a shame. The lack of RAM just adds insult to injury.

    I think Nokia DID learn from the N95-1! They learned that when an anticipated device launches, consumers will leap to buy it, and they’ll make a ton of cash. They can then add a little RAM and add some extra storage, screen real estate, etc., and then sell even more, even to the initial buyers of the first model.

    I’m sure Nokia will do this again, because what the N97 showed me was a form factor with great potential, and a bigger screen, more internal storage, more RAM, and maybe even a better camera and GPU would put this thing over the top. The UI issues are negligible, and fixable with a little work. Nokia just needs to refine it, and I’m sure they will in a few months.

  • http://www.symbian-freak.com christexaport

    Couldn’t have said it better. Also, the task manager, app switching, and app closing is very slow on the N97. The Touch UI has slowed down the best feature of S60, and its a shame. The lack of RAM just adds insult to injury.

    I think Nokia DID learn from the N95-1! They learned that when an anticipated device launches, consumers will leap to buy it, and they’ll make a ton of cash. They can then add a little RAM and add some extra storage, screen real estate, etc., and then sell even more, even to the initial buyers of the first model. \

    I’m sure Nokia will do this again, because what the N97 showed me was a form factor with great potential, and a bigger screen, more internal storage, more RAM, and maybe even a better camera and GPU would put this thing over the top. The UI issues are negligible, and fixable with a little work. Nokia just needs to refine it, and I’m sure they will in a few months.

  • http://www.pda-247.com/wordpress/2009/07/demystifying-the-nokia-n97-%e2%80%93-the-power-user-fiasco/ Demystifying The Nokia N97 – The Power User Fiasco | PDA-247

    [...] Demystifying The Nokia N97 – The Power User Fiasco has been published at Symbian Guru and some good insights are included. This is one device which causes more discussion than almost any other at the moment. [...]

  • jeran170

    could not agree more… personally I was more impressed with the 5800. it has a low price tag and is (in my opinion) very cheap. so you do not expect that much and you get a really nice device.

    but for the price tag of a N97, the drawbacks you mentioned above, cannot overcome the nice camera and internal memory. I expected much more in terms of performance and power use – where battery is the least concern… so, lets hope for N98 ;)

  • jeran170

    could not agree more… personally I was more impressed with the 5800. it has a low price tag and is (in my opinion) very cheap. so you do not expect that much and you get a really nice device.

    but for the price tag of a N97, the drawbacks you mentioned above, cannot overcome the nice camera and internal memory. I expected much more in terms of performance and power use – where battery is the least concern… so, lets hope for N98 ;)

  • Keith

    Thats funny. The Nokia 5800 has the same issues.
    Since the N9/ ist their flagship I tought they had learned their lesson..
    Honestly, last time I bought a Nokia phone for sure! My E61i was so good in terms of usability, but painfully slow. Now the S60 5th has so many bugs its completely bullshit.
    Yesterday my phone bugged. I could not phone anybody nor did a soft reset help. I wasnt even able to open the dialpad. Since the 5800 has no hardware buttons I could not enter the Master Reset code. Only after a trial install of Handy Shell I could finally enter the dial pad.
    S60 5th is the worst I have ever seen. I can NOT trust this OS at any time.
    So if you can stay away and wait for the next generation!

  • Keith

    Thats funny. The Nokia 5800 has the same issues.
    Since the N9/ ist their flagship I tought they had learned their lesson..
    Honestly, last time I bought a Nokia phone for sure! My E61i was so good in terms of usability, but painfully slow. Now the S60 5th has so many bugs its completely bullshit.
    Yesterday my phone bugged. I could not phone anybody nor did a soft reset help. I wasnt even able to open the dialpad. Since the 5800 has no hardware buttons I could not enter the Master Reset code. Only after a trial install of Handy Shell I could finally enter the dial pad.
    S60 5th is the worst I have ever seen. I can NOT trust this OS at any time.
    So if you can stay away and wait for the next generation!

  • Sharron

    Hey!
    You removed my comment! Why? Because I threw the 5800 together with the N97 and said they both arent good as expected?
    Or bc I said one shoul wait for the next gen S60 6th Edition?
    Very biased over here..

  • Sharron

    Hey!
    You removed my comment! Why? Because I threw the 5800 together with the N97 and said they both arent good as expected?
    Or bc I said one shoul wait for the next gen S60 6th Edition?
    Very biased over here..

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com/ Dotsisx

    Keith,
    1. The comments here are moderated, so if your comment took a bit of time to appear, it’s because all 3 of us here on the site have been really busy the last couple of days.
    2. My 5800XM had the same bug. Nothing shows on the homescreen, even though I have the standard one active, and the contacts and dialpad shortcuts don’t work. I blamed it on the HUMONGOUS amount of beta software I had installed on it. I reinstalled the firmware through NSU, but I think the same can be achieved by restoring factory settings (attention: this wipes up the internal memory).

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com Dotsisx

    Keith,
    1. The comments here are moderated, so if your comment took a bit of time to appear, it’s because all 3 of us here on the site have been really busy the last couple of days.
    2. My 5800XM had the same bug. Nothing shows on the homescreen, even though I have the standard one active, and the contacts and dialpad shortcuts don’t work. I blamed it on the HUMONGOUS amount of beta software I had installed on it. I reinstalled the firmware through NSU, but I think the same can be achieved by restoring factory settings (attention: this wipes up the internal memory).

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com/ TheGuru

    Sharron – comments are moderated, so if yours took a while to show up, that’s the reason. If your comment disappeared, I can assure you it was by mistake – the only reason we have ever removed comments is if they are not relevant to the story they’re posted on. It is our policy to allow any comment, so long as it is constructive to the conversation – positive or negative.

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com TheGuru

    Sharron – comments are moderated, so if yours took a while to show up, that’s the reason. If your comment disappeared, I can assure you it was by mistake – the only reason we have ever removed comments is if they are not relevant to the story they’re posted on. It is our policy to allow any comment, so long as it is constructive to the conversation – positive or negative.

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com/welcome/2009/07/introducing-the-around-project.html Introducing The Around Project | Symbian-Guru.com

    [...] it only works with the N97 due to the different sensors in this particular handset, but the application will soon support [...]

  • http://www.dani2xll.com/ dani2xll

    still unable to find that mail for exchange file to delete

  • http://www.dani2xll.com dani2xll

    still unable to find that mail for exchange file to delete

  • Roelofk

    Very nice read, and agree on the points made. I think one of the issues for me is, when using similar devices, you dont realise all the time “how many” applications you have open at a time. I had a N97 for a couple of days recently, and was very happy with both the battery life and the RAM, since I have taught myself on my 5800 to close my apps when I dont use them. I do think they can make this a more straight forward process to close down apps that runs idle in the background.

  • Roelofk

    Very nice read, and agree on the points made. I think one of the issues for me is, when using similar devices, you dont realise all the time “how many” applications you have open at a time. I had a N97 for a couple of days recently, and was very happy with both the battery life and the RAM, since I have taught myself on my 5800 to close my apps when I dont use them.
    I do think they can make this a more straight forward process to close down apps that runs idle in the background.

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com/welcome/2009/09/the-transition-from-the-n82-to-the-n97.html The Transition From The N82 To The N97 | Symbian-Guru.com

    [...] as the N82 only has 27 Mb more than the N97. Unfortunately, it is a concern as applications such as OVI Maps, N-gage and Nokia Messaging eat up the internal memory on the N97, not to mention the fancy widgets that come preinstalled on [...]

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com/welcome/2009/10/nokia-n97-mini-video-preview-comparisons.html Nokia N97 Mini Video Preview & Comparisons | Symbian-Guru.com

    [...] amount of internal memory really blew me away. It was one of the main things that made the N97 a power-user fiasco in my experience, and a big letdown for a device this powerful. I’m glad to see it fixed in [...]

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