The Guru

The Guru, aka Ricky Cadden, started Symbian-Guru.com in November 2006, out of his excitement for the S60 3rd Edition version of Symella. The Guru has used Symbian devices since the Nokia 6620, and is known for his perspective as a power user. You can follow The Guru on Twitter at @Rcadden

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  • http://mobuzz.co.uk Ratkat

    For a minute reading your review I was beginning to think you had sold out.
    Nice to see in the conclusions that you hadn’t, anti-virus for symbian v3 & v5 phones is a waste of money and pointless.

  • Ratkat

    For a minute reading your review I was beginning to think you had sold out.
    Nice to see in the conclusions that you hadn’t, anti-virus for symbian v3 & v5 phones is a waste of money and pointless.

  • http://bitflung.blogspot.com/ bitflung

    i’ve used f-secure in the past, and will again in the future. using the NCPe IPSEC VPN client, and putty SSH, I frequently connect to my office to work remotely.

    Without a proper malware/virus protection product, I would not be able to convince my employer to allow this connection. Hard-reset to fix the issue? That’s like saying you don’t need antivirus in windows because you can always format the hard-drive and reinstall (or use the recovery disk, if you’ve got one of those mainstream consumer plastic machines).

    I’m not arguing that everyone needs this – but rather that some people do. If you need it, you know it – if for no other reason than because IT states, “no remote access without firewalls and antivrials”.

    All things being equal, I’m quite pleased that f-secure sells this software: if I HAD to install antivirus and ALL I could choose from were McAfee and Symantec (the two most commonly used products in my area) I wouldn’t bother. Simply put, I’ve used f-secure for years, love their products and respect their developers. Their competition tends to make bloatware that I would refuse to install on my resource limited machines (both mobile and netbook alike).

  • http://bitflung.blogspot.com bitflung

    i’ve used f-secure in the past, and will again in the future. using the NCPe IPSEC VPN client, and putty SSH, I frequently connect to my office to work remotely.

    Without a proper malware/virus protection product, I would not be able to convince my employer to allow this connection. Hard-reset to fix the issue? That’s like saying you don’t need antivirus in windows because you can always format the hard-drive and reinstall (or use the recovery disk, if you’ve got one of those mainstream consumer plastic machines).

    I’m not arguing that everyone needs this – but rather that some people do. If you need it, you know it – if for no other reason than because IT states, “no remote access without firewalls and antivrials”.

    All things being equal, I’m quite pleased that f-secure sells this software: if I HAD to install antivirus and ALL I could choose from were McAfee and Symantec (the two most commonly used products in my area) I wouldn’t bother. Simply put, I’ve used f-secure for years, love their products and respect their developers. Their competition tends to make bloatware that I would refuse to install on my resource limited machines (both mobile and netbook alike).

  • Frederico

    Well, it seems useful for anti-theft features, but it’s indeed expensive.

    I never had a phone stolen or a virus infection. so its even more expensive when you put it that way

  • Frederico

    Well, it seems useful for anti-theft features, but it’s indeed expensive.

    I never had a phone stolen or a virus infection. so its even more expensive when you put it that way

  • Viipottaja

    To say its pointless is missing the point to some extent, I think. This software is mainly sold to corporates/firms. For them, it doesn’t really matter that much what the likelihood of anyone’s phone is getting is low, if the impact of such an infection is high, or, potentially catastrophic. Basic priciniple of risk management. IT guys as well as the management elsewhere in the compnay, if they can justify the cost, just want to cover their ass and absolutely minimize the risk. You can bet they think (and probably know :D) there is always the retarded Jane or Jack somewhere in the company who could accept a friendly bluetooth message or what not. :) Having said that, OF COURSE, F-Secure and others play up the risks – no need to get on their case for such an obvious thing. :)

  • Viipottaja

    To say its pointless is missing the point to some extent, I think. This software is mainly sold to corporates/firms. For them, it doesn’t really matter that much what the likelihood of anyone’s phone is getting is low, if the impact of such an infection is high, or, potentially catastrophic. Basic priciniple of risk management. IT guys as well as the management elsewhere in the compnay, if they can justify the cost, just want to cover their ass and absolutely minimize the risk. You can bet they think (and probably know :D) there is always the retarded Jane or Jack somewhere in the company who could accept a friendly bluetooth message or what not. :) Having said that, OF COURSE, F-Secure and others play up the risks – no need to get on their case for such an obvious thing. :)

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com/ TheGuru

    @bitflung – absolutely agree in regards to respect for their developers. As proven here, the application is incredibly well-written, with extremely low power and RAM consumption, and a small overall footprint. It’s a very well written application.

    @viipottaja – indeed, there are specific-use cases where it might be required/helpful. I was careful to word my sentences to specify that, *in my experience*, it protects against a threat that I haven’t been threatened with.

    You mention Bluetooth – oddly, that’s not included in the Firewall or other settings – all you get is a note that they suggest you disable Bluetooth when not in use, lol.

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com TheGuru

    @bitflung – absolutely agree in regards to respect for their developers. As proven here, the application is incredibly well-written, with extremely low power and RAM consumption, and a small overall footprint. It’s a very well written application.

    @viipottaja – indeed, there are specific-use cases where it might be required/helpful. I was careful to word my sentences to specify that, *in my experience*, it protects against a threat that I haven’t been threatened with.

    You mention Bluetooth – oddly, that’s not included in the Firewall or other settings – all you get is a note that they suggest you disable Bluetooth when not in use, lol.

  • Wampyre

    @bitflung
    On my university you get a free copy of F-secure along with Cisco VPN and my experience with F-secure there was devastating. If those two applications are not installed in the right order Windows looses all form of network connections and there is no other way of recovering this than to format the harddrive. But ok, put PC’s aside.

    I just recently read a study that users of mobile handsets that uses their mobile browser do “think” that they are safer, in which case is not always the case. Malicious javascripts can e.g. run on your handset, but the chances for that is more minimal for the following reasons.

    1. Mostly you go to known websites on your handset.
    2. You can disable java and flash (some even don’t have flash).

    There are however other issues which can’t be fixed with software alone and that is if someone gains access to the network you’re using and sniffing the traffic. This is in my opinion the biggest risk in overall.

    I do find it reasonable to have some sort of firewall on mobile handset, but this can be overkill depending on your operator which already would have filtered the content that comes through your connection. (On HSDPA, 3G and Edge that is).

  • Wampyre

    @bitflung
    On my university you get a free copy of F-secure along with Cisco VPN and my experience with F-secure there was devastating. If those two applications are not installed in the right order Windows looses all form of network connections and there is no other way of recovering this than to format the harddrive. But ok, put PC’s aside.

    I just recently read a study that users of mobile handsets that uses their mobile browser do “think” that they are safer, in which case is not always the case. Malicious javascripts can e.g. run on your handset, but the chances for that is more minimal for the following reasons.

    1. Mostly you go to known websites on your handset.
    2. You can disable java and flash (some even don’t have flash).

    There are however other issues which can’t be fixed with software alone and that is if someone gains access to the network you’re using and sniffing the traffic. This is in my opinion the biggest risk in overall.

    I do find it reasonable to have some sort of firewall on mobile handset, but this can be overkill depending on your operator which already would have filtered the content that comes through your connection. (On HSDPA, 3G and Edge that is).

  • Wampyre

    Here was the article / study I was referring to.
    http://www.cellular-news.com/story/39171.php
    It only mentioned phishing and spam but I would have added sniffing as one of the security risks as well.

  • Wampyre

    Here was the article / study I was referring to.
    http://www.cellular-news.com/story/39171.php
    It only mentioned phishing and spam but I would have added sniffing as one of the security risks as well.

  • http://thoughtsons60.com/ Jonathan Bruha

    …still waiting for someone to chime in who has seen a real-for-live virus on a post-3rd Edition device…

  • http://thoughtsons60.com Jonathan Bruha

    …still waiting for someone to chime in who has seen a real-for-live virus on a post-3rd Edition device…

  • Laverticus Jones

    It’s interesting that you state your previous assumptions about wasting batter life, RAM, etc. were unfounded. Since you vehemently liked to use that point in your Anti-Antivirus argument, not taking the time prior to backup those accusations with actual facts is quite telling.

  • Laverticus Jones

    It’s interesting that you state your previous assumptions about wasting batter life, RAM, etc. were unfounded. Since you vehemently liked to use that point in your Anti-Antivirus argument, not taking the time prior to backup those accusations with actual facts is quite telling.

  • Laverticus Jones

    @ Jonathan Bruha

    So you’re suggesting malware such as commwarrior doesn’t actually exist and hasn’t infected devices?

    Presumptuous to think that this forum’s notification by a an infected victim is necessary to validate that mobile malware exists.

  • Laverticus Jones

    @ Jonathan Bruha

    So you’re suggesting malware such as commwarrior doesn’t actually exist and hasn’t infected devices?

    Presumptuous to think that this forum’s notification by a an infected victim is necessary to validate that mobile malware exists.

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com/ TheGuru

    @Laverticus Jones

    1. My previous assumptions are not telling at all. While the level of RAM and power used is surprisingly minimal, it’s still more RAM and power than would be used without the application running on your phone, and like @Jonathan Bruha, in 5+ years of Symbian usage, I have yet to either personally have a phone infected, or talk to someone who has, personally.

    2. We’re not suggesting that malware doesn’t exist. I was very careful in my wording on this post regarding that. I do, however, believe that the vast majority of Symbian users, provided they don’t install software from shady resources and other common sense prevention steps, will ever be affected by malware, specifically with S60 3rd Edition’s protections in place.

    This is why we at Symbian-Guru.com recommend that users secure their own Symbian Signed certificate, rather than ‘hack’ their phones to remove the security requirement. Hacking your phone removes the security provided by Symbian Signed, and opens your phone up to the ability of possibly being infected.

  • http://www.symbian-guru.com TheGuru

    @Laverticus Jones

    1. My previous assumptions are not telling at all. While the level of RAM and power used is surprisingly minimal, it’s still more RAM and power than would be used without the application running on your phone, and like @Jonathan Bruha, in 5+ years of Symbian usage, I have yet to either personally have a phone infected, or talk to someone who has, personally.

    2. We’re not suggesting that malware doesn’t exist. I was very careful in my wording on this post regarding that. I do, however, believe that the vast majority of Symbian users, provided they don’t install software from shady resources and other common sense prevention steps, will ever be affected by malware, specifically with S60 3rd Edition’s protections in place.

    This is why we at Symbian-Guru.com recommend that users secure their own Symbian Signed certificate, rather than ‘hack’ their phones to remove the security requirement. Hacking your phone removes the security provided by Symbian Signed, and opens your phone up to the ability of possibly being infected.

  • Laverticus Jones

    @Guru

    If you don’t have Anti-Spyware/Anti-Virus applications running on your device and Spyware is designed to be hidden and stealthy, you, @ Bruha and anyone else could have been infected without your knowledge.

  • Laverticus Jones

    @Guru

    If you don’t have Anti-Spyware/Anti-Virus applications running on your device and Spyware is designed to be hidden and stealthy, you, @ Bruha and anyone else could have been infected without your knowledge.

  • http://twitter.com/FSecure_Advisor Sean Sullivan

    Greetings Ricky,

    Thanks for trying our software and for the review. It’s nice to see. I have a question for you…

    We at F-Secure agree with you, malware threats against mobile phones are currently very low (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/technology/personaltech/13smart.html).

    Given that, I was one of those that suggested that the anti-theft feature be implemented. We want to provide security rather than just antivirus.

    Our Response Lab has a wealth of data and features to draw from on the PC security side. And our back-end systems have been designed so that they can also support our mobile software. Content filtering is one example.

    So, if we add something such as parental control/content filtering to our Mobile Security does it then begin to be something which justifies the price point in your mind? What other security related features would you recommend or like to see made available?

    Best Regards

  • http://twitter.com/FSecure_Advisor Sean Sullivan

    Greetings Ricky,

    Thanks for trying our software and for the review. It’s nice to see. I have a question for you…

    We at F-Secure agree with you, malware threats against mobile phones are currently very low (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/technology/personaltech/13smart.html).

    Given that, I was one of those that suggested that the anti-theft feature be implemented. We want to provide security rather than just antivirus.

    Our Response Lab has a wealth of data and features to draw from on the PC security side. And our back-end systems have been designed so that they can also support our mobile software. Content filtering is one example.

    So, if we add something such as parental control/content filtering to our Mobile Security does it then begin to be something which justifies the price point in your mind? What other security related features would you recommend or like to see made available?

    Best Regards

  • Laverticus Jones

    @sean sullivan

    Sounds like you guys are trying to become like SMobile http://www.smobilesystems.com . They released Anti-Theft and Parental Controls last year.

  • Laverticus Jones

    @sean sullivan

    Sounds like you guys are trying to become like SMobile http://www.smobilesystems.com . They released Anti-Theft and Parental Controls last year.

  • http://www.anscorswire.com John Graham

    Hi.

    I have F-Secures Mobile Security on my phone.
    This is a company requirement for staff that connect to our servers using the phone.
    I have never had a virus attack on my phone but I do see reports of viruses and some spread via Bluetooth.
    If F-Secure wants to improve their product then Bluetooth protection should be included.

    John Graham

  • http://www.anscorswire.com/ John Graham

    Hi.

    I have F-Secures Mobile Security on my phone.
    This is a company requirement for staff that connect to our servers using the phone.
    I have never had a virus attack on my phone but I do see reports of viruses and some spread via Bluetooth.
    If F-Secure wants to improve their product then Bluetooth protection should be included.

    John Graham

  • http://www.anscorswire.com/ John Graham

    Me again.

    I have changed my phone and transferred the license to the new phone. It was not difficult to do.

    I will give users one warning. Keep a copy of the activation code. I did upgrade the firmware on my Nokia E75 and when the phone restarted there was no Mobile Security. I had to reinstall and re-activate.

    John Graham

  • http://www.anscorswire.com John Graham

    Me again.

    I have changed my phone and transferred the license to the new phone. It was not difficult to do.

    I will give users one warning. Keep a copy of the activation code. I did upgrade the firmware on my Nokia E75 and when the phone restarted there was no Mobile Security. I had to reinstall and re-activate.

    John Graham

  • vicky

    plkease help, my phone is locked by pressing lock now on f-secure anti mobile theft, in past i have locked my phone and unlocked by same code but it is not responding now please help my phone is locked

  • Pravesh2910

    hi. please help. I’ve a 5800 and its locked, i can’t unlock it. please help me with the code as i can’t use my phone at all. even if i remove the battery and back again same,still locked. please help.
    pravesh2910@yahoo.co.uk

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