Samsung i8910 OmniaHD Launching In India

where did you see this news. do you have a like to an online store…? i would really like to get one of these beasts ….

where did you see this news. do you have a like to an online store…? i would really like to get one of these beasts ….

It does NOT have a 1GHz processor.

It does NOT have a 1GHz processor.

@Jonathan Bruha
That’s why it’s surprising, because it doesn’t have that in any other market we know of.

I believe we are talking about maybe a customized version in which isn’t that rare but to up it up with a 1 GHz processor is more than just a customization.

@Jonathan Bruha
That’s why it’s surprising, because it doesn’t have that in any other market we know of.

I believe we are talking about maybe a customized version in which isn’t that rare but to up it up with a 1 GHz processor is more than just a customization.

No, were talking about an idiot who combined the 600MHz CPU clockspeed and the 430MHz clockspeed to get 1030MHz and thought that it now magically runs at 1GHz! So, yes, technically, it is 1GHz (total), but if we counted clockspeeds that way, it also means every other i8910 and the iPhone 3GS are also running at over 1GHz, and the N97 is running at 684MHz as well.

If you’d like me to go into more detail about mobile processors and give you even more evidence against a single, blurry fact card, I’d be more than happy to do so.

No, were talking about an idiot who combined the 600MHz CPU clockspeed and the 430MHz clockspeed to get 1030MHz and thought that it now magically runs at 1GHz! So, yes, technically, it is 1GHz (total), but if we counted clockspeeds that way, it also means every other i8910 and the iPhone 3GS are also running at over 1GHz, and the N97 is running at 684MHz as well.

If you’d like me to go into more detail about mobile processors and give you even more evidence against a single, blurry fact card, I’d be more than happy to do so.

Jonathan, like I said on my blog, what you mention seems very plausible.

However, the source’s not a blurry fact card, but Samsung’s own website. http://in.samsungmobile.com/mobile-phones/phone-search.do?kind=upcoming#quick_view

They’re pulling a fast one, but are technically correct of course!

Jonathan, like I said on my blog, what you mention seems very plausible.

However, the source’s not a blurry fact card, but Samsung’s own website. http://in.samsungmobile.com/mobile-phones/phone-search.do?kind=upcoming#quick_view

They’re pulling a fast one, but are technically correct of course!

I understand. I checked the source just when the rumor first appeared. Samsung can sell their phone however they want, but they should be consistent in their marketing. Now all the current i8910 owners think they have the “slower” phone, when it’s the exact same device. The only thing Samsung changed for the Indian market is the language pack.

I understand. I checked the source just when the rumor first appeared. Samsung can sell their phone however they want, but they should be consistent in their marketing. Now all the current i8910 owners think they have the “slower” phone, when it’s the exact same device. The only thing Samsung changed for the Indian market is the language pack.

@Jonathan Bruha

LOL, so it was a marketing trick then.
Thank you for explaining a bit about arount this.

However where did you get the numbers?
“600MHz CPU clockspeed and the 430MHz clockspeed”

I understand that the first one is from the CPU, the other one from graphics?

@Jonathan Bruha

LOL, so it was a marketing trick then.
Thank you for explaining a bit about arount this.

However where did you get the numbers?
“600MHz CPU clockspeed and the 430MHz clockspeed”

I understand that the first one is from the CPU, the other one from graphics?

Wampyre, the second clockspeed is for the DSP coprocessor. That is what they mean by “dual processor.” The i8910 is powered by a Texas Instruments OMAP 3430, which includes a 600MHz ARM Cortex 8 main application processor paired with a 430MHz Digital Signal Processor. Additionally it has a PowerVR SGX 530 Graphics accelerator (GPU,) an image signal processor (ISP,) and the second generation of TI’s image and video accelerator (IVA2.) I have no idea what the clock speed is on the GPU, but it seems to give me at least 20 frames per second when playing Quake 3 at full resolution (640×360) and that’s pretty impressive :)

Wampyre, the second clockspeed is for the DSP coprocessor. That is what they mean by “dual processor.” The i8910 is powered by a Texas Instruments OMAP 3430, which includes a 600MHz ARM Cortex 8 main application processor paired with a 430MHz Digital Signal Processor. Additionally it has a PowerVR SGX 530 Graphics accelerator (GPU,) an image signal processor (ISP,) and the second generation of TI’s image and video accelerator (IVA2.) I have no idea what the clock speed is on the GPU, but it seems to give me at least 20 frames per second when playing Quake 3 at full resolution (640×360) and that’s pretty impressive :)

+1 for Adam, as he is 100% correct.

On top of that, if they really did use new hardware it would be a production miracle if Samsung was able to
A. place an order for X,000 (or more) new chipsets (including all of the licensing and purchasing details),
B. re-write the drivers necessary for the phone to work properly with the new chipset,
C. re-manufacture the next batch of i8910′s with this new chipset, and
D. do it all within the 2-3 months the original has been available.

That’s also assuming they would have purchase the Snapdragon from Qualcomm. It would be a separate miracle altogether if they were able to use their own Hummingbird CPU less than a month after they announced it.

+1 for Adam, as he is 100% correct.

On top of that, if they really did use new hardware it would be a production miracle if Samsung was able to
A. place an order for X,000 (or more) new chipsets (including all of the licensing and purchasing details),
B. re-write the drivers necessary for the phone to work properly with the new chipset,
C. re-manufacture the next batch of i8910′s with this new chipset, and
D. do it all within the 2-3 months the original has been available.

That’s also assuming they would have purchase the Snapdragon from Qualcomm. It would be a separate miracle altogether if they were able to use their own Hummingbird CPU less than a month after they announced it.

Thanks you both Adam and Jonathan.

If I had seen the schematics of the processor I would have known a bit more about the internal hardware and the details around it. (In this case I clearly haven’t. Truth to be told I haven’t kept my eyes on even PC hardware for a long time now. I better start watching again)

@Adam
Quake 3 on Omnia HD? Wow, that’s quite impressive.
(Quake 3 was one of my favorite games btw :-p )

Thanks you both Adam and Jonathan.

If I had seen the schematics of the processor I would have known a bit more about the internal hardware and the details around it. (In this case I clearly haven’t. Truth to be told I haven’t kept my eyes on even PC hardware for a long time now. I better start watching again)

@Adam
Quake 3 on Omnia HD? Wow, that’s quite impressive.
(Quake 3 was one of my favorite games btw :-p )

Well if you’re looking for schematics and other general information about hardware, its pretty easy to find for Symbian phones. Virtually all Nokia S60 phones from the 6630 up through the E61i used the TI OMAP 1710. The N93, N95, N82, and E90 all used the TI OMAP 2420. As I said above, the i8910 uses an OMAP 3430. All other Samsung S60′s use the OMAP 2430. If you go to Texas Instrument’s web site they have an extraordinary wealth of information available about these chipsets. Nearly all other recent Nokia S60′s use the Freescale MXC300-30 chipset. The N96 used an STMicroElectronics Nomadik STn8815A12. Both of these manufacturers have some information available directly on their websites, but they’re not as good as TI. I have no idea who supplies the processors for the N97 and N86.

Oh and getting Quake to run is pretty easy as long as you have the game files. It runs extremely well on the N95-2, N95-3, N95-4 and the N82. The N95-1 doesn’t have enough free RAM to run it. It will run on the E90, but at WVGA resolution the frame rate is so low it’s not even worth playing. Thankfully with the new SGX 530 GPU in the i8910 I can play it in native 640×360 resolution and it runs as smootly as it would on the N95′s QVGA screen.

Well if you’re looking for schematics and other general information about hardware, its pretty easy to find for Symbian phones. Virtually all Nokia S60 phones from the 6630 up through the E61i used the TI OMAP 1710. The N93, N95, N82, and E90 all used the TI OMAP 2420. As I said above, the i8910 uses an OMAP 3430. All other Samsung S60′s use the OMAP 2430. If you go to Texas Instrument’s web site they have an extraordinary wealth of information available about these chipsets. Nearly all other recent Nokia S60′s use the Freescale MXC300-30 chipset. The N96 used an STMicroElectronics Nomadik STn8815A12. Both of these manufacturers have some information available directly on their websites, but they’re not as good as TI. I have no idea who supplies the processors for the N97 and N86.

Oh and getting Quake to run is pretty easy as long as you have the game files. It runs extremely well on the N95-2, N95-3, N95-4 and the N82. The N95-1 doesn’t have enough free RAM to run it. It will run on the E90, but at WVGA resolution the frame rate is so low it’s not even worth playing. Thankfully with the new SGX 530 GPU in the i8910 I can play it in native 640×360 resolution and it runs as smootly as it would on the N95′s QVGA screen.

Having read a lot of mobile phone PR’s and reviews, and being interested and a wee bit knowledgable in the area of Computer Architecture, it is impossible that 1 Ghz = 600+430 Mhz.

So it’s just either of the 2:

a) The 1 Ghz is a typographic error that has inadvertently crept in.

b) Samsung has silently upgraded the Omnia i8910HD SoC to it’s 1 Ghz Hummingbird processor announced recently. The thermal and power envelope of this new low leakage 45 nm process processor are in the same region, so integrating it with the existing SoC in place of the old 600 Mhz 65nm ARM Cortex A8 is not such a big deal, technically. Of course verification etc. may take time, but it’s just a thought.

Let me make it clear. CPU speeds of varying architectures cannot just be added to get the total speed. The CPI, issue count etc. of each ISA differs, and adding in sequence just doesn’t give the total clock speed.

That is why 2 Ghz Pentium 4 + 625 Mhz (ATI Radeon R520) != 2.625 Ghz processor.

Even in the same ISA with multi-core solutions it is not possible. That is why 2 Ghz Core 2 Duo!= 4 Ghz Core 2 Solo :P

Having read a lot of mobile phone PR’s and reviews, and being interested and a wee bit knowledgable in the area of Computer Architecture, it is impossible that 1 Ghz = 600+430 Mhz.

So it’s just either of the 2:

a) The 1 Ghz is a typographic error that has inadvertently crept in.

b) Samsung has silently upgraded the Omnia i8910HD SoC to it’s 1 Ghz Hummingbird processor announced recently. The thermal and power envelope of this new low leakage 45 nm process processor are in the same region, so integrating it with the existing SoC in place of the old 600 Mhz 65nm ARM Cortex A8 is not such a big deal, technically. Of course verification etc. may take time, but it’s just a thought.

Let me make it clear. CPU speeds of varying architectures cannot just be added to get the total speed. The CPI, issue count etc. of each ISA differs, and adding in sequence just doesn’t give the total clock speed.

That is why 2 Ghz Pentium 4 + 625 Mhz (ATI Radeon R520) != 2.625 Ghz processor.

Even in the same ISA with multi-core solutions it is not possible. That is why 2 Ghz Core 2 Duo!= 4 Ghz Core 2 Solo :P

Samsung India has taken down the 1GHz line from their website.

Samsung India has taken down the 1GHz line from their website.