The Guru

The Guru, aka Ricky Cadden, started Symbian-Guru.com in November 2006, out of his excitement for the S60 3rd Edition version of Symella. The Guru has used Symbian devices since the Nokia 6620, and is known for his perspective as a power user. You can follow The Guru on Twitter at @Rcadden

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  • vinitneo

    Developer opportunities are there but developers are ignoring symbian which is very very frustrating. I don't have a dropbox app, evernote and wordpress thankfully are in development, there is only one ebook reader etc. Etc. Btw great article. Symbian is better than android in many ways. Symbian should try and improve some of the things which you mentioned in the last article.

  • http://www.rickycadden.com Ricky Cadden

    Keep in mind, too, that this is my own personal list. For some of you, Waze, Mobbler, Gravity, etc won't really be a factor. I did, however, try to point out very specific reasons for each bullet point.

    Also, I tried to keep phone-specific complaints out of the comparison. I'll have more on that in tomorrow's follow-up, but an example is the HTC Eris – it's laggier than even the N97 on v10 firmware. Simply absurd.

  • trust

    How about bluetooth capabilities? Are there any different between Android and Symbian?

  • http://www.rickycadden.com Ricky Cadden

    I haven't found any, honestly. Both work great with numerous different BT headsets, both mono and stereo, and both connect easily to my computer to transfer stuff.

  • kedoin

    In my limited experience using an E75 daily and testing a Nexus One for a week, one of the things that I found disquieting about Android was that I never felt that I knew when the phone was going to do something online. With Symbian, if any application decides it wants to use a data connection, I get to choose which Access Point it's going to use or abort the operation if I choose to. Perhaps I never found the settings to make Android apps ask before using the network, or a suitable 3rd party app that does the same thing. But, for me coupling this with your point #2 (you're never 100% what's running on the device) and I started to feel like I wasn't in control of the N1…

  • froschy

    For Symbian in the US context you can add to this an almost complete lack of dedicated apps for popular web tools like Fandango, OpenTable, BOA, etc…

    Sure you can utilise their mobile optimised websites but you miss the benefits of having a dedicated app.

  • froschy

    I think the title of this article is a bit misleading, it would be nice if you could test several Android handsets that are already running v2.1 otherwise this article really should be called “10 things that Symbian phones on the latest firmware like the N97 and i8910 do better than the Droid ERIS running Android v1.5″

  • Yordan

    It really takes some time, after using symbian for a long time, to realize that Android is not asking when downloading e-mails, status info from social network etc. But you can be 100% sure that nothing is downloading just by looking around in the options long enough. Once you get used to that it becomes very easy to know what is running and downloading. I had 4-5 symbian devices in the past and can say that I'm a big fan but Android and my Tattoo totally got me hooked on Google's mobile OS

  • http://www.rickycadden.com Ricky Cadden

    There are numerous devices running Android v1.5, though, whereas there is only a few devices running Android v2.1. Plus, I've checked on the Motorola DROID – most of these things are the same on the Eris as they are on the DROID. It's also quite clear in the lead paragraph that this list is based on the HTC Eris running Android v1.5.

  • brendan_donegan

    Add Spotify as well – the Spotify client on Android is basically unusable when doing most other tasks and skips alot.

  • Ronald

    Just to provide some counterpoints to your list:

    For #2 on multitasking, press & hold the “Home” key and you should see a list of the last 8 applications you have run, then tap on any of those to return to it. No, this does not tell you whether that task is still in RAM or not, nor does it provide you with a method for removing it, it's up to individual apps to provide an “exit & unload from memory” button, just pressing the Android “Exit” button doesn't do that typically, it just suspends it in the background.

    But, as far as consistently backgrounding and returning to an app, pressing home once backgrounds all apps, press & hold it to return to the app, that's about as consistent as it gets.

    #3 You should mention that Gravity for Symbian is $10 whereas Twidroid & Seesmic are both free (no Gravity's 10-day trial does not count as offering a free version). Granted, to handle multiple accounts you'll need Twidroid Pro, but Seesmic is free entirely. But it isn't really fair to compare 3rd-party apps and claim it benefits either OS since tomorrow they could port Gravity to Android, or Seesmic to S60.

    #6 Your Eris should show up as a mass storage device also, the need to -choose- to mount the memory card rather than having it merely automount is honestly a feature I need, if your S60 device has apps that store files (for instance, music) on the flash drive, and you're fond of listening to that music while your phone is plugged into your computer (for instance to charge it), then you would appreciate this feature. Because your Symbian phone (and all others) can't read the microSDHC card while it's plugged into a computer and mounted. The option to mount it also prevents other applications from crashing that rely on the computer. Since most S60 devices don't come with USB ports, I understand you are unlikely to plug it into a computer just to charge it and not to also transfer files. But I find with my Android device that I more often leave my phone plugged into my home computer, or my work computer, for charging, than into any devoted charger. I think that Android devices need this functionality because they are far more flexible of a device than an S60 based phone.

    #7 When viewing the current day in the calendar, fling your finger left or right to change days. I don't use HTC Sense, but in the stock Android when entering a new event time, you can tap on the hour/minute display and the keyboard will pop up and you can type in the time you want the event to occur at, but I find scrolling faster, even though I have a hardware keyboard on my phone.

    #8 On your S60 device you list the so-called “feature” of pressing and holding the power button to “simply” shut off your phone. On my Android phone, when I press and hold the power button I get a menu with the options to select “Silent Mode, Airplane Mode, Reboot phone, Power off”. I prefer having options when I choose to shutdown, especially if I just want a quick reboot or to rapidly turn off all the phone's radios. I'll grant you that Symbian starts up faster than Android, and I can understand some people being irritated by having a final warning prompt that their phone will be off, but for me I appreciate the warning in case that's not the operation I intended (maybe I was trying to silence the phone or put it into airplane mode, but I missed and hit reboot instead).

    #9 My phone (the G1) doesn't have a proximity sensor for fading the screen when I put it near my face, but I know that when it goes dark I can hit menu twice and it will light up again, you shouldn't have to hit “End”. From my experience with Symbian it doesn't support proximity locking the keyboard/touchscreen though, does it? So as far as reducing accidental phone-tones, I'd call this an Android “Win”. But yes, the phone (and especially addressbook) are lacking in Android so far, it is definitely a smartphone and not a “phonesmart”.

    #10 For Developer Opportunities this where I think things are really upside-down. Needing the “Android SDK” is a misnomer, all it is, is a compiler with a debugger, emulator, and the Eclipse IDE. Eclipse is Open Source, and cross platform on everything (Linux, Mac, Windows). Symbian's SDK by-the-way, including their debugger is Windows-only. Not even Mac, let alone Linux. Symbian can be programmed in Java & C++, QT is not a language it's a widget set, and Python is provided by an external application, Python code cannot be interpreted by S60 natively. Android supports widgets natively, so learning something new like Nokia's Web Runtime is unnecessary, also Android's widgets are interactive, whereas Nokias WRT widgets are read-only.

    Using the Android SDK & NDK you can program in both C & Java for Android, and if you download the Android Scripting Environment (similar to downloading Python for S60) you get access to languages such as Python, Perl, JRuby, Lua, BeanShell, JavaScript, and shell scripting. A fair bit more flexible than S60 actually. You also failed to mention the incredibly high cost to develop for Symbian devices, code audit fees, developer fees, etc. Whereas for Android the total cost to develop apps for life is $25. Compare that to over $2,000 -per application- for commercial carrier apps on Symbian, without the support of an extensive marketplace on every device (Ovi may be nice, but it is on a fraction of those millions of Symbian devices you mention, and is brand new with very few apps comparatively). But yes, there are substantially more Symbian devices than Android ones right now. We'll see what Symbian^3 and MeeGo have in store for Nokia's future.

  • Roger

    Symbian keeps your data safer?
    I'm not sure on this but I think on Android you don't have system-wide strong full encryption as you can have on the E-Series (RAM + Card are encrypted).

    On the E72 for instance this works quite well and fast and was one of the reasons I bought this model.

  • payaxy

    Ricky, I find your article somewhat inconsistent, is it what Symbian does better, or what Symbian applications you like better? 3 of your points are better Symbian apps for certain tasks (or apps preferred by you).

    I also have to ask if 5-7 seconds delay when receiving an email does make so much difference to you? It sure doesn't to me, what matters is seamless integration of modern email client, displaying HTML mails without a hitch and receiving mails each and every time, which Nokia yet has to do in many devices (sadly, including mine). As for Nokia messaging, I'm not quite as optimistic as you are about this application. After downloading the latest version from software update, not only does it turn my wifi connection on forever draining my battery in the matter of hours, but, wait for it, wait for it, it DOESN'T receive emails. So I'm not really counting this one at the moment ;-). From NM support forums, there are scores of people with the same problem, and, as usual, it points to rather poor QA on Nokia's part. (end of rant :))

    Also, for multitasking, you chose a phone that is not really a typical Symbian device, is it? It would be much more fair fight if you compared Nokia's multitasking to Android.

    As for Calendar, what you describe is a minor UI problem, and boy, you don't want to start comparing UIs… What matters to me the most is sync of the said calendar to the cloud, which Symbian does only with 3rd party apps, And if you try to mention Ovi Sync to me, I tried to set it up for 3 days before giving up after last hard reset. Ovi just doesn't seem to be able to send me a configuration SMS. Sure you can set it up manually, but how many people have the patience to do this? Android wins this one with me…

    In short, it very much seems to me that you tried quite hard to find your 10 points, and as far as my user experience is concerned, you didn't really succeed with many of them.

    I usually like your articles very much, by the way. Hope that Symbian^3/4 will be what we all want it to be and more. However, I'm not very optimistic so far, other OS vendors are improving by leaps and bounds (mainly Android IMHO), Symbian seems to be playing catch up at this point.

  • http://www.rickycadden.com Ricky Cadden

    I'm aware of the press-and hold Home key thing, but as you concede, it doesn't really offer any multitasking abilities – it's more of a recently-used list (apps may or may not actually be running). It's very confusing, and I've ended up just using my Eris as a featurephone because of it.

    #3 – point taken, I'll update the post. I do, however, think their inclusion is fair, since Google or Symbian could just as easily (though not as quickly) update the platform to fix these points – any comparison piece will be dated eventually, that's why we have post-dates and why I mention specifically what phones/OS versions I'm referring to.

    #7 – Perhaps this is a limitation of Sense UI, then, because I've tried flinging every which way and nothing happens. To be honest, in most cases, I've determined Sense UI to be somewhat of a step backwards, though I'm not easily able to tell which parts of the UI are Sense UI and which aren't.

    #8 – on Symbian, you press the power button once to bring up a similar list – easily change between ringer profiles, activate Offline (airplane) mode, or turn it off. However, there's no annoying second confirmation. I also do not have the option to Reboot the phone on my HTC Eris – another limitation of Android v1.5?

    #9 – yes, the touchscreen Symbian phones that I've used all disable the screen when you hold it to your face on a phone call, and re-enable it when you pull it away.

    As noted previously, this list is based on my experience with Android on the HTC Eris, from Verizon. The phone isn't that old, I believe it launched towards December 2009 (I got it in January 2010). There are also numerous other devices currently on the market that use Android v1.5, thus I believe it's realistic to compare this version of Android, as long as I make it clear that I'm doing so. This is likely the Android experience that the vast majority of normal consumers would have, though obviously it's not the absolute latest and greatest.

  • coopere

    on point #10. if symbian is easier for developers, why are there so little apps. the andriod market is like a river, apple's app store is the ocean, but symbian is only a stream

  • Guesty

    Your first point isn’t a counterpoint at all except to confirm Symbian phones manage tasks much, much better. Hold the silver button on the N97 and a list of currently running apps is displayed (by icon). Press on any of them for 2 seconds and you get a menu to switch to that app, or kill it without bringing it to the foreground.

    “. From my experience with Symbian it doesn’t support proximity locking the keyboard/touchscreen though, does it? ”

    Yes it does.

    “On my Android phone, when I press and hold the power button I get a menu with the options to select “Silent Mode, Airplane Mode, Reboot phone, Power off”. I prefer having options when I choose to shutdown, especially if I just want a quick reboot or to rapidly turn off all the phone’s radios.”

    On the N97, pressing the power button brings up a similar menu. Continuing to hold the power button goes straight to shutdown.

  • awafaa

    I started to write a comment and then realised it would probably be better as a blog post in its own right so you can see my response at http://www.wafaa.eu/entry/symbian-vs-android-1-…

  • darkjeric

    There are WAY more apps for Symbian, it's just that there isn't one single app store that covers them all like on Android or the iPhone. So it's difficult to know exactly how many there are. The Ovi Store is currently the biggest with over 6500 apps, but I've got at least 30 apps on my N97 that are nowhere to be found on the Ovi Store :-p

    I can just get Symbian apps from anywhere, sign them myself even, and install them to my phone. I don't need an appstore for that :-p

  • coopere

    you are right. symbian users have been getting apps long before ovi. but i think nokia should make a greater effort in gathering all these apps in one place making it easier for new users to find. i remember 'mosh' but nokia closed it because of the ovi store opening, but was never capitalized on.

  • SatioUsersDotcom

    Does the Eris send files over bluetooth out of the box?

    I'm not sure about now, but at one point, Android couldn't send files via bluetooth. One of my colleagues with a G1 spent ages with beta apps trying to get something that would allow him to bluetooth files. Sure, Symbian delivers files received via bluetooth into the message inbox (or at least it did until the X6, don't know about other devices), but at least it had the functionality.

  • http://twitter.com/JuBaZ JuBaZ

    I disagree with a few of your points. The Last.FM and Twitter issues relate to the clients that are available for the platforms (Applications). The fact that Android has native support for Last.FM is encouraging and means that there is interest in providing this service and the implementation will likely improve over time.
    As for Twitter, again nothing to do with Symbian vs. Android, simply that available 3rd party client/s for the Symbian platform is/are “better” than the 3rd party client/s currently available for Android. If we want to talk about 3rd party apps you can start by commenting on the total absence of a Pandora client for Symbian, and talk about the lackluster Symbian Facebook client while you are at it. You got it right in your 10 things Android does better than Symbian #6 APPLICATIONS.
    I am a fan of Symbian but the reality is that Symbian is yesterdays OS with a sorely outdated UI. Nokia is really struggling to innovate and keep up with the competition.

  • http://iUnlock.com/ Adam@iUnlock

    Why is it that no one considers the option of S60 being the UI of yesterday and Symbian remaining an OS of the future? The Symbian platform has been around for roughly a decade with several different versions of Series 60/S60 and UIQ interfaces, not to mention the less well known Series 80, Series 90, and MOAP. You have to enter the arena of desktop operating systems to match this kind of UI diversity on one platform. For a platform so mature, so absurdly flexible and scalable as Symbian to be written off based on a poor UI implementation, well, it's almost comical. Few people can argue that S60 5th Edition devices have a problem when it comes to the user interface, but I truly believe that on an OS level, Symbian is the most advanced platform on the market. There are some valid reasons to criticize the current crop of Symbian devices. However, it is simply naive for critics to claim that problems in the current generation of the UI will completely derail the Symbian platform and wash it into obscurity.

    BTW, JuBaz, I certainly don't mean to imply that you are naive or that you are claiming any of the things I stated above. Your last comment just happened to be a good jumping off point for a rant that has been building in me for some time :)

  • kmmerwana

    Let us face this Guru. We die hard symbian fans are finding it real difficult to prove to the world what we are capable of. I have noticed one behavior which I would like to share. I have been using Nokia phones for the last 7 years and pricesly because of Symbian. The only reason I was willing to forgo the design of Sony, the budget of Motorola (I live in India. So, we did not have fancy stuff here before 3 years) was because I wanted to use a phone whose OS can be customizable. I am following various other tech sites and all of them are of the same opinion: the mobile market is not about hardware anymore; nor is it about the platform. But it is purely about the apps available and customizations possible (I read this on Gizmodo.com and I agree to it). Now you go back 4 years before Iphone, Andriod, RIM. Symbian has been having the developer community since ages now. There have been symbian applications right since the beginning. The only thing Nokia did not do right is not to collate these into a single platform
    People say that manufacturers are learning from Iphone. Android learned from Iphone. But guys…. the beginner for all this was Symbian. Nokia gave us things since 2002 and it took Apple 4 years to understand that, and better that in terms of Iphone. Of course, they have mastered the art, and now they are screwing everyone.

    If anyone from Nokia is reading this, please please please I beg you to look into this aspect. You guys are the best at what you do. Symbian has the potential to reverse the situation so easily.

  • jj

    your list hear is quite biased when i agree that some of the symbians features standout more than the androids i doubt that the functionality and the overall intelligence of the android would be over shadowed by the symbian. Symbian infact is still quite far behind on everything it does. Also FYI basing your analysis only on one monster of an android phone against a nokia n97 which nokia itself admitted as a success on sales but a failure on experience that it provides is totally stupid. you made yourself a target for criticism.

  • http://www.mobilitynigeria.com/ Yom

    Actually, one of the reasons why I have stayed away from Symbian from mid-2009 till date is the problems their phones keep giving me with Gmail. For some reason, Gmail either slows down the Nokia messaging app till its unsuable, or inbox clears at will.

    This has been my experience across a couple of Nokia E-series smartphones – E90 and E75 to be specific. I don’t know why its been like this for me, but my Gmail account works without hitches on Windows Mobile and Android devices. I know its odd, but that has been my experience. After getting burnt with those two high-end devices, I decided not to experiment with Symbian and Gmail any longer.

  • http://twitter.com/JuBaZ JuBaZ

    You make a valid point about the OS. Symbian is indeed a very powerful OS. However, the UI severely hampers its potential.

  • http://www.rickycadden.com Ricky Cadden

    All of these points are based on S60 5th Edition – it's the same on the Nokia N97, 5800 XpressMusic, i8910, etc.

  • smith

    one app i cant be without for my n97 is Truecaller which now is available for android but i still prefer symbian over all. eagarly waitin for symbian^4:D

  • EranD

    There are a few odd things in this post:
    1. Do you really consider GMail on Sybmian to be better solely on the fact that you get the emails 5-7 seconds earlier than on an Android device? Are you involved in real-time stock trading through email alerts? It'd be inaccurate to attribute this advantage to Symbian – it's a Nokia app, not available on the I8910, for example. I would compare easy access to GMail labels, starring, threading support and contact completion (all are either impossible or poorly implemented using the basic email Symbian app. Exchange support on the I8910 allows you to get instant GMail but email is not searchable on the phone nor is properly threaded).
    7. Calendar: Given the immediate sync between Google calendar on the desktop and on the phone, edit your events in the browser – it'd be much easier. You could also use the scroll wheel to move to the next day (from within Day view).
    9. Phone: The frustration with the Phone functionality of the I8910 is the single reason I'm using my I8910 solely as a media player now: The interface is just not snappy enough when I want to make a phone call – it's such a pain finding a contact or getting to the last calls screen (compared to the Android). It's not hard to do, just lagging.
    10. Development: You could argue that most Symbian owners are not even aware they can install software on their phones – simply because they don't have Ovi Store on their phones (either because those are older Nokia phones or Samsung phones which don't come with that). Overall finding applications for Symbian is a poor experience.
    I do agree with 8, powering down, though – I am also annoyed by this confirmation dialog.

  • dean

    simply put Android is still in childhood age to mess with the big boys! Symbian is a matured smartphone OS, that's what i've been telling people all along! All these iphones, android, blackberry devices look great and all but that's only till you actually use them and then you find out ooo shoot i just spent a fortune and it cant even video chat, sync over bluetooth, can't use the phone feature properly on a phone!! all kinds of crap that a phone should be able to handle. Once we get a Symbian UI overhaul people will see that symbian is just what everybody needs in a phone. Other OS's will need years to mature and are not necessary until we get better batteries to handle pc OS's in a phone.

  • Itai

    The 10th reason is not completely true.
    You can run Java apps on android,
    Python apps are accessible using the 'Android Scripting Environment' (which is similar to the experience on Symbian),
    and for native C++ I believe you can use the NDK (Native Development Kit).
    Web Runtime is not necessary on Android, as the web browser supports HTML5 which includes most of Symbian's Web Runtime APIs.

  • gdigenis

    saying that android doesnt multitask so you had to use the device as a feature phone is just plain silly. the majority of your list of things that symbian (a platform) does better were actually just 3rd party apps, not functions built into the os. so if this is fair in your eyes then why wouldnt you just download one of the many free task managers and place a shortcut on your main homepage and click it when you needed to multitask? it would let you know if it was running in the background and give you the option to switch back to the app or kill it. i have used every nseries and eseries since the n95-1 and a few before it and i think that with any of these 3rd party task managers android handles multitasking better.

    you point to the i8910 as the example of the best symbian task managers, but it is not indicitive of the majority of s60 devices. the scrolling when setting calendar entries is no how the majority of android devices are, just some of the ones running 1.6. it was easier on 1.5 and it is easier again on 2.0 and above.

    the fact that you had the device that long and could only come up with this list is further proof that the current state of symbian is a joke. hopefully for you symbian does enough with v3 and v4 to keep it interesting

  • http://www.rickycadden.com Ricky Cadden

    I didn't say that Android doesn't multitask – I said that the *experience* is rotten, as there is no user control built-in. In Symbian (both on the i8910 and on Nokia's like the 5800 XpressMusic and N97) there is a very clear way for the user to see what's running and close individual apps. The point is, on Android, I *need* a 3rd party app to handle this – on Symbian, it's built-in, out of the box.

    The majority of the Android devices on the market *currently* run either v1.5 or v1.6.

  • gdigenis

    while i respect the effort, time, and dedication it takes to run and grow a site lik this i just think this article is completely flawed. dont you see how weak your arguement becomes when discussing which device has a better multitasking experience because you compare stock os features, yet 40% of your list of symbian strengths are 3rd party apps? if you loaded a 3rd party task manager on both platforms you would see that android would be a better experience and only be left with a list of 9 things. as soon as you compare 3rd party apps i think the entire article is flawed, but if you are going to bring them in to the arguement then you should at least do a better job at comparing apples to apples (which you did do for some of the apps but not all). by this i mean if the stock app is deficient or non existent then you should see if there are apps available for both platforms, install them, then make a final judgement.

    you are correct that most android devices run 1.5 or 1.6, but the calendar experience that you complained about is not a factor in 1.5 or in the hotest selling android device (droid/milestone on version 2.0).

    another issue i have is that you are comparing a few different s60 devices with one specific android device, which based on your comments in this article is a device that you have not learned how to use to its fullest potential yet. i understand and dont doubt that you are the symbian guru, but you have much to learn about android. i hope you give it a fair chance with an open mind. if you have any questions about how to set up an android device so that it more closely matches what you need let me know and i will try to help out.

  • LessThanDoug

    You forgot two of the biggest things, for me at least. The functionality to custom adjust and create your own equalizers in the music player, and Profiles!

  • http://astroturfgarden.com bogart

    This is a good point, and don't forget that Symbian (again, on E-series) supports Microsoft Exchange controls of forced keypad locking and encryption. Most other devices (including N-series) do not support this. I haven't tried on Android, but for business class and protection of data, Nokia E-series on Symbian hits the major requirements.

  • http://just2me.com/ samwize

    I disagree on 10. Developer Opportunities

    It really depends on how you define opportunities, and for me, it means market acceptance.

  • VanKing

    Hoohoh, its quite stupid to list web apps that work better here or there because they are just client apps not related to the platform..

    And symbian is already dead and ditched by Nokia.. so there…!

  • http://androidforums.com/android-lounge/41965-android-vs-symbian-what-differences-pros-cons.html#post1431304 Android vs Symbian: what are the differences, pros and cons? – Android Forums

    [...] Originally Posted by cdl Hi all, I have a Nokia E71 (Symbian S60 v3) and am considering moving to either a Nokia N97 mini (Symbian S60 v5) or to Android, probably a Motorola Milestone/Droid. What are the main differences between the two systems? … I'm running an N95 for now (AT&T contract expires early '11 and I have lots of rollover minutes) and a myTouch with Froyo on a T-Mobile data-only SIM right now. The apps on the Android are way slicker and the web browsing is much better, but the Symbian device does one major advantage to me: It beats any touch device for eyes-free operation. I'd like to see a modern smartphone that beats this use-case: If you configure it for the grid layout, home takes you to an app list with 12 apps mapped to 12 keys. So I can hit Home-6(M) and get to Google Maps. I can hit Home-7(P) and be in the music Player. I can hit Home-X(9) and be in X-Plore (a file manager). I can browse to a folder before I start driving and start a track playing. On the road, I can stop the current podcast playing (Home-7-hangup-hangup), delete it (Home-9-Clear-Yes), and start the next track (OK) totally eyes-free. Now here's my question: will there be any smartphone devices that allow eyes-free single-handed operation? I see n8 is touchscreen and qwerty is no good for eye-free either. Doesn't look like Symbian is going there- the only Symbian^3 so far is a touch-only device. edit: found this too: http://www.symbian-guru.com/welcome/2010/03/10-things-symbian-does-better-than-android.html [...]

  • dissapointed_droid

    Hello! Nice post.
    I from Brazil and know the prices from Symbian and Android phones is becoming accessible to the average public. Last week I buyed a SE Xperia x10 mini with Android 1.6 and my co-worker buyed a Nokia 5800 XpressMusic.

    All the specs and price differences trying to make me believe the X10 + Android is better than 5800, but there really really simple things I cannot do because ANDROID DOESN´T SUPPORT, like acessing a ad hoc WiFi or sending files across Bluetooth – and with Symbian is so so easy! Ok, maybe I could do this with the right appz, or “rooting” Android, but – what is the point?

    I´m really disappointed with Android phones. Some things like sending SMS to multiple contacts was more simple in my old SE K750 (I miss so much!) or Nokia 5610 XpressMusic.

  • KnowMe

    I’ve been using Symbian for years, and Anroid only for the last 6 months, and I don’t agree with most of the points made here. First, most of them are not related to the actual comparison of operating systems but comparison of software on it (points 1, 3, 4, 5, 7), one is hardware related (6). I’ll give you 2, 8 and 9 even though I have no problem with 2, and 9 can come down to personal preference much like soft vs hard keyboard. And #10 is just bogus.

  • Dotternetta

    Dont forget the Nokia Maps, no internet connection needed when navigating

  • Guest

    In my opinion, Symbian^3 has lot of feature like USB on-the-go, flash 10.1 support, MS Office 2010 support etc. As i have read, with USB on-the-go feature one can connect usb keyboard, pendrive, external devices, usb mouse etc and use phone as monitor or to add to this the phone can be connected to HDMI tv and one can use keyboard and mouse and view mobile screen on TV. This is far more advanced feature and Android has to still go long way to achieve these.

  • JS

    Some of the problems with Android you had mentioned were specific to the hardware you are using. For example, slow use, the screen switching off during a call and not being able to switch on without pressing ‘End’ button, and the need to press ‘OK’ in order to switch off the Android phone are just some examples which do not apply in other Android phones, such as the Galaxy S.

  • SatanicToothpaste

    The main reason why I use S60 is because it is the only OS besides the home PC’s where applications’ abilities are not limited. For example, programs to change the font, open folders, change filetype associations, modify physics, size and animation of icons, etc… are ONLY available on S60; Android (iOS, Palm, Blackberry) cannot do this at all. Every phone, even J2ME Java ones, can run an app as advanced as a Nintendo emulator relatively speedy, functionality goes to S60. Double-clicking your Mario.gba is ONLY possible on S60!

  • KIller

    ANDROID RULES !!

  • Ramnanirahul777

    On My Side , Symbian is the best……..

  • Guest

    About the last part, have you even tried to do this on Android?

    If you have a file browser and the app on an Android, all you need to do is tap the file and set the application as default, then you can open that file type any other time by taping/clicking it once (Stock Android 2.2).

  • Jayaramjayaramv

    can u pls help me out which mobile to choose between…. A NOKIA X6(8GB) OR SAMSUNG GALAXY 3

  • Aaa

    x10i android have multitasking,timescape,mediascape, everithing what u say there is in x10i… gmail is google mail and android is from google developers :/

  • Anonymous

    Stupid! Compare it with Android 2.3 and Symbian will just shit in it pants! Useless Symbian now even Nokia is dropping Symbian and team up with Microsoft for Window Phone 7.

  • Anonymous

    Upgrade you phone to Android 2.1!!!!!

  • http://www.rickycadden.com Ricky Cadden

    LOL! Did you not realize this post is from nearly a year ago?

  • Vivaz

    I really don’t care about nokia dropping symbian coz I am not a nokia fan either.. Try Sony Ericson Vivaz it great in Symbian v.5

  • Cyberpunk Pc

    Yeh , Bro, Really rules….

    Because of such GUI punks , Windows was accepted over Linux.

    Tell all the punks who says we’re better then Android, ” We have POWER OF LINUX ” after all we
    Prefer colors of KONSOLE over GUI of Powershell…

    Let this script kiddies know power that Linux got !! Tell them to check out “BACKTRACK 4″
    Let them have some respect for us, ——- CYB3RPUNK

  • mspallz

    iOS is exactly a bulshit…it is only 1 or 2 steps ahead above android only in the field of apps…android is the best mobile os…nokia is concentrating presently on developing windows phone 7 and MeeGo OS platforms hence it is not responding to symbian users’ complaints…and nokia will not even respond in future for symbian..

  • NilanjanGM

    Sorry pal…u have to work on ur phone more.
    If my Wildfire, while help at my ear, goes off at screen, and while holding far from my ear, comes on at screen, ur Eris must do the same.
    It’s the proximity sensor that does this stuff.

  • Thankappan

    You know, all these things you’ve written here are absolutely wrong by this time of Android 2.3.

    In 2010 Q4, Android is the world’s leading smartphone OS, dethroning Symbian who held the position for the last 10 years.

    Just one year ago (at the time of writing your article) you said that Symbian development is going to have a great future. So you told everyone to learn to get new opportunities.

    But see, NOW, one year later, you can read in news that Nokia is STOPPING support for Symbian, and signed an agreement with Microsoft to put “Windows Phone 7″ on every Nokia phone from this year on. That means, Nokia had to leave it’s most boasted off Symbian behind, ONLY BECAUSE it can’t keep on competition with Android in the market.

    And, it’s true that You’ve NEVER used an Android Device.

    You wrote an article boasting off a B&W television in 21st century, without even seeing an LED TV.
    What you wrote is much like :

    (1) LED TVs are thinner. But my BW Tv keeps heavy and do not misplace.
    (2) LED TV screen is smooth, if you press it, everything gone! But in my BW TV, you can hit the screen with a spanner too!
    (3) My BW TV produces heat, so that the room is automatically air-conditioned. This is not available in LED TVs.

    Final Question: Why wrote such idiotic articles???

  • http://www.rickycadden.com Ricky Cadden

    1. Indeed, this article is over 1 year old. Thus, it’s out of date.
    2. As mentioned in the opening paragraph (which you clearly didn’t read), I owned the HTC Droid Eris
    3. I have owned the Droid Eris, Nexus One, and now use the HTC G2/Desire Z as my primary device. I have owned three Android devices, spanning from Android v1.6 all the way up to Android v2.3.3. I have not updated this post because we’re no longer updating this site at all.
    3.

  • Hashimjamal

    I have got Nokia E71 and the HTC Wildfire, but I always prefer E71 over stupid wildfire because of these reasons:

    1. When on symbian, you call a guy and if he is in another call, symbian will give you a popup of a waiting call which android doesnt, I dont know whether its hardware dependent function, but its missing on my android device and available on my nokia device.

    2. while on call, somebody calls you in the middle, and you try to accept his call and at the same instant the person disconnects the call hoping that you may not take his call, you end up disconnecting the present call also.

    3. Its happening on my Wildfire, every now and then, my contacts are erased automatically and randomly.

    4. on Wildfire, while in groups if you long press one of the contact and try to remove it from group, the contact is permanently removed from main contacts also, how foolish thing. I dont know why and who ever in this world says that contact grouping is better in android.

    5. Its true that android sales are increasing, but the reason is not that android is better than symbian, its because android if free, and companies are cheaply incorporating this OS onto their stupid devices.

    6. I am really fed up with the threaded view of android system, and say for example I need to remove all the SENT sms from my phone and keep all the incoming sms, I cant do it, as there is no option for that, not in stock application nor in android market apps.

    7. Now come to Third party free application on android market, there is no single application that is complete, if one application has one functionality, the other application doesnt have.

    8. Talking about internet connectivity on android, I am never able to connect to internet 3G on widlfire. Every time I try to connect it, it says : “Use phone for data connection when Wi-Fi is unavailable”. I have tried every permutation combination, but did not get any success.

  • Coolbond1503

    galaxy 3 or u can even go for Galaxy ACE. If u want a great phone with a good camera then go for Ace but if u just want a great phone then go for Galaxy 3.. I have x6 and i am planning to sell that.

  • Vatsayana2004

    After going through all the discussions, I think people in western countries do need spirituality and contentment. We need mobile phones just to talk, people hardly use rest of the stuff practically. So it is foolishness to waste one’s precious time in deciding OS of a mobile phone.

  • Jasunlives2

    In response to the person that said you can’t access your sd card when hooked up to your computer and that nokia doesn’t use usb ports,…my you n97 shows 3 separate drives which I can access transplanting data back and forth as i please. It also has a micro usb port. On the nokia you have tv out. Any movies, songs, actually anything that shows on the nokia screen will show on the tv screen. Also nokia has had apps for hotspotting for years. I personally have had hotspots on my phone for 4 years now, while android through carriers like at&t, and sprint tout it like outs some new phenomenon that they just invented. My n97 also came right out of the box with talking voice recognition. Not only does it understand commands but answers in voice of your choice.This is all with a 4 year old phone so I don’t want to hear any shit about how advanced android is.Android capitalized on gimmicks and looks to lure an unsuspecting public.The system itself is weak and no where beast as stable as symbian.It’s like driving a ferrari with a two cylinder engine in it.Believe me, now that nokia has experienced the fickleness of the public,, things will change as they have the resources to blow any competitor away. Keep riding the glitter bus . If you actually believe that nokia is going to go under you are f##king nuts. Also,,, one last rant Nokia is 100 percent more user friendly.(I had to write percent because my android phone doesn’t have a percent sign in there virtual keyboard, which by the way, my n97 has both an actual and virtual…) There is no way to backspace on the android virtual keyboard. No magnifying glass,.no backspace without erasing what you just wrote…just taping your finger nail between letters like a moron. Look! I think ask cell phones suck from one degree to another and there are lot of times when I want to smash my nokia to pieces, but to proclaim android to be some marvel of technology is absurd and just goes to reinforce the glitzy is better, Kardashian drone mentality.Grow up morons. I could write 10 pages on why symbian is better than android, and considering that symbian only is hosted by a few phone manufacturers as opposed to androids cheap platform that whores itself out to anyone that wants it, its no wonder why the uninformed consumer believes it superior. Time will tell.

  • Georgi Todorov

    Ahahahah Hey Megahacker136 you are a bit uninformed :D I enjoy uninformed people. Nokia already did what’s required to take the lead and it’s coming. The best phone maker ever (Nokia) with the best OS maker together (Microsoft).
    Nokia and Microsoft enter strategic alliance on Windows Phone, Bing, Xbox Live and more.

    In 2012 Nokia starts to integrate their phones with the new Windows Phone 7 AND imagine then…
    Till 2015 Nokia will be leader in the market of cell phones how’s that sound :) This is not my opinion, but of the market research specialists.
    It is true and the new competitors of Nokia like Samsung, Apple’s iPhone, HTC and some more are getting worried about the upcoming alliance. Who wouldn’t bet they don’t?
    While all of the smart phones different than nokia were not making smart phones before 2006-2007 a lot before that Nokia and Sony Ericsson did build smart phones long before 2006.
    So those are one of the leaders.
    And as owner of PDAs and smart phones with the old Windows mobile I would say that there’s something big coming. Just read a bit more about the new MS windows mobile 7 OS.
    Microsoft owns the market of business and personal OS. Microsoft’s software is in every office, home and out there… So imagine which OS will be preferred as easy integrations with the other MS products windows phone 7 or some other puny OS ;)

    And just for the record there’s no phone as the new Nokia N8 – multitasking, you can listen music while you’re making live powerpoint presentation in conference room. 12Mpx photo camera with Carl Zeiss lens if you know who Carl Zeiss is :)  (My 6 years old Nokia N90 still makes better photos than any other phone maker now).
    Dolby digital sound – honestly I’ve never heard better sound on other phone! Nokia N8 is with On demand Web TV. And do not forget that Nokia is owner of one of the best maps ever. HD Video 720p.
    The Nokia N8 gaming experience comes in high definition with premium titles from top game publishers.
    And for the record is’t not with Symbian S60 ;) it’s using Symbian ^3
    And there’s a lot more, I don’t think you can show me better phone than this (http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n8/specifications) currently.

  • Georgi Todorov

    Ahahaha hey lame,
    #8… my Nokia N90 (2005) have shut-down menu and have Offline mode, Lock Keypad, Lock Phone, multi-profiles that you can define yourself and switch between them, well that’s not something new :D lame…

  • Georgi Todorov

    No more symbian, Nokia + Microsoft = Nokia phone + windows phone 7 :P

  • Dfgd

    SIMBIAN GEEKS

  • Vharidev1993

    Lol…guy’s really lame. I’ve seen this even on the 1100 with B&W display!!!! hahahahaha…I hope even Nokia Brick has it…

  • SARVESH KAKODKAR

    hey bro… i am an n8 user. :) none of this funny names (Yeeee Meeee iPhone iPhoneeee… droid-mroid) have ever made such a phone. it has the best app experience. Best camera, Best multitasking, Best UI, and you have written all stuff already. It is just the amazing technology which we can get on a new nokia n8.. and don’t forget that we can attach a pen drive to it… CAN other phones do that??? Everything in just 559.406 USD (368.152EUR) is just unbelievable.. AND AS THEY SAY ” ITS AMAZING TECHNOLOGY, WHAT WILL YOU DO WITH IT?” 

  • SARVESH KAKODKAR

    i agree bro

  • SARVESH KAKODKAR

    I DON’T GUESS SO!!

  • Georgi Todorov

    Yes I know, people are just lame :)
    Now N8 cost ~$380 something that n8 doesn’t have is 4G that doesn’t make it worse :)
    4G is not even fully supported yet from the networks and higher your monthly bill, but frankly what do you need 4G for? are downloading 20GB Full HD movie? :)

  • Georgi Todorov

    Yes, thats why symbian is matured OS while the rest have a very long way till they become what Symbian is. BUT I have no patience to see the first Nokia with windows phone 7 :)

  • Georgi Todorov

    Pfff… lol…
    Hahahha

  • Georgi Todorov

    You are very uninformed :)
    we’ll talk again soon when Nokia releases the new Nokia with Windows Phone 7 ;)
    Till Nokia 2015 will have the highest % on the market. Read a bit more before you comment!

  • Georgi Todorov

    I would say Nokia RULES.
    That nokia doesn’t get sold from US providers a lot doesn’t mean that nokia is worse phone than iPhone HTC, Samsung, etc.
    Just the people doesn’t know the power of Nokia and people like paying for apps :) But frankly I won’t stop them, they like paying for everything.

  • faffy

    Nokia is updating Symbian^3 devices to Symbian Anna this month… What about that?

  • qwqw

    in call searching a phone book in androied is meter of research

  • Ram Ganguly

    SYMBIAN SUCKS.I have bee using nokia 5800XM(s60 5th edition).except for the maps every app is a bullshit.The OVI store seems to be a big joke.Not a single useful file is found there.I have tried every firmware update but the UI is slower than a snail.I am never going for a symbian phone again.I’ll rather try Android or an Iphone

  • Malyalamvenu

    Symbian is shit. Profile had got corrupted. Eventually discarded the phone. Wasted 7 thousand rupees on nokia 3230. Refund my 7 thousand rupees Nokia/symbian

  • robert banner

    hello, myself  Robert Banner.
    i am private developer for nokia’s  symbian platform.
    i am working for the project symbian vortex(nokia vortex)
    it will provide you the best UI and the best thing………………………………that you can decide what you want……………….change your homescreen manually with just four steps…………………………………………..

    new update will be released by me for all nokia smartphone devices……………..till end of september 2012……………………

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